Anyone with experience with "Shot-shells" for handguns?

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Mike in VA,
Those "bushy tailed rats" (squirrels) make some mighty
fine eating, make stew with the old ones and fry the
young ones. Just ask any true Southerner. :)


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re: snakes

Off-topic, and not to go environmentalist-wacko on you guys, but unless you 1. have a snake phobia, 2. small children or 3. venomous snakes, I'd leave the little boogers alone. Why? They kill mice and rats. I'd much rather have a harmless snake in my backyard than a population bloom of rodents.

Of course, if you do kill the snakes, you'll have more things to shoot. :D

Mike


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in 1972, using a Ruger Blackhawk, loaded with .38 Special shotshells, I was able to kill a squirell at a range of about 35 feet. This was my one and only attempt at shooting a squirell with this load. I have also used this same load to kill cottonmouth snakes at much closer range. Yes, they make good snake rounds. :)

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I have decided to get some shot shells for my .45 Colt guns today, as I have a few Prarie rattlers on my property. We also have Bull snakes, and I leave them alone since they kill other snakes. How much louder is the .45 Colt shot shell than a .22 LR? I can't imagine that it would be even close to as loud as a real .45 Colt. We all have 5 acre lots where I live, and shooting isn't against the law or anything, but I still don't want my neighbors to freak out. (Although, in our neighborhood, if you killed a rattler, everyone would forget the gun part).
 
Do they even make shot capsules for the .45 Colt? If not, you can make some using gas checks. Not as good but better than nothing. regards, birdman
 
In last month's "Guns & Ammo," in the New Products sections, they listed a new .45 L.C. shotshell, from CCI. Oughta work well.

I've been reloading .45 L.C. and .41 Mag shotshells for years. (Also .38 & .44, but those empty capsules are available.) Following is my recipe for .45 L.C. and .41.

Standard L.P. primers. Nine grains of Unique. Gently settle a .45 gas check on top of powder, with rim UP. Fill nearly to brim with #10 shot. Place another gas check over the shot with rim DOWN. Roll crimp over this. Good shotshell.

In .41 Mag, I sharpen the inside edge of an empty cartridge case, then tap it through a piece of thin poster board, for two "wads."
Standard primers, eight grains of Unique. Use same techniqe as gas checks. Fill case with #10 shot, then place second wad over shot, then roll crimp. With this system, I then put a bit of Elmers White Glue over the top wad. When dry, I have a very effective shotshell for my .41.

I'm hoping that CCI will offer the empty .45 capsules so I can reload my own. I doubt they ever offer the capsules for .41.

By the way, if you are reloading these yourself and have some # 12 shot, it's even better. I have only #10. FWIW. J.B.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike in VA:
How loud are these puppies (in .45)? If they were reasonably discrete, I could make use of them in the back yard on some really annoying crows & squirrels, but a full pistol report would definitely honk oof the neighbors. Thx, M2[/quote]

Pump-up pellet gun may be the answer.
 
Sucker hit that on the nail head. I use a RWS model 52 for that stuff. Plus it gets a dogs attention at 30 yards much better than the shot loads do. They work on rodents in the house or barn at 5 feet but thats all they are good for. And they are also very load just like a long rifle round. You shoot something and they just give you a stupid look before they run off,wrist rocket would do much better. :) or a garden hose.
 
perhaps you would be interested in a shot pistol thread on www.Gunspot.com

the thread is at http://216.88.255.50/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000705.html


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Parrtial Quote Originally posted by ribbonstone in the "Shot Pistol" thread at www.Gunspot.com:
Thanks. In the .45colt, I've been using plastic 410 cases, cut to the end of the cylinder. The plastic case contracts after firing, so there isn't a problem with the case sticking from expansion, the full length case holds more shot, and the rounds are easily identifiable........[/quote]

Seems like the hot ticket for those 45 Colt shotshells you were looking for -RRP



[This message has been edited by RustyRP (edited June 24, 2000).]
 
The .22s don't work well on snakes, in my experience. If you're fishing and weight is no big deal a little.410 shotgun is better. Or just regular .22s. We have several different types of poisonous snakes around here, so I keep an eye out. We also have lots of non-poisonous ones, and I do try to leave them alone.

I've never tried the bigger shotshells - didn't even know they made them.
 
The .40 S&W shotshell was a CCI product. 80 grs. #9shot,100 pellets. I got mine at a gunshow. 10 for $7. Expensive but easier to carry in the glovebox in a spare magaize then a shotgun,sometimes.
 
MIKE & LEDBETTER --- Crows are protected under an international treaty with Mexico, Canada & the U.S. -- unless your stated declared them "birds of depredation", as TEXAS did. Call your game warden or parks & wildlife office.

I make .45ACP shotshells out of cutdown .30-06 brass (size case in .45ACP carbide sizer die, size top portion thru 7/16" ID steel washer) for shooting thru my Ruger Blackhawk Convertible. I make .45Colt shotshells from cutdown .410gage hulls. Both work well at very close range.
 
All the favorable comments have about got me convinced to try these again. I lost faith in them years ago when I tried to kill a small rattlesnake that was swimming a creek by my camp. I was shooting from maybe 4-5 feet away, and pellets peppered the water all around the snake, but the shot loads didn't seem to phase him. Then I hit him with a couple of slugs and more or less blew him in half. I've relied on bullets rather than shot ever since.

I occasionally practice shooting small sticks at close range, and I find that hitting a snake-sized stick is usually pretty easy. I do better when I just point an shoot - trying to sight at very close range seems to do more harm than good. I think the shotloads I was using were handloads, and this was over 20 years ago, so maybe I'll have to give these another chance.

Doug
 
Texas Lawman, all I can say is, that treaty is so stupid that it must be true. I shall give it all the consideration it is due when the crows chase off all the songbirds that my wife feeds in our back yard and gobble up their seed. (Insert your own bird poop joke here.) I hope the Canadians and the Mexicans don't come after me.

Re: pellet guns, I can report the following one-shot stops:

Pre-treaty crow at 10 yards (on the ground, do not shoot guns into the air)
Possum at 5 yards.
Big dog at 30 yards (cousin--used a .22 pellet rifle)
Raccoon at 5 yards (Went away and never came back)

YMMV. Save the crows.
 
'No Shoulders' yes indeed we got them in this Sierra country in central Argentina - mainly a yarara thats like a rattler without the rattle. we got some with rattle also as well as the occasional Coral. We have about two acres around the house, fenced in and all lawn and flowerbeds etc. Dogs and kids playground: All snakes are advised that they are not welcome and liable to be shot on sight, no questions asked. Outside that perimeter its natural scrub, mezquite and such and its 'live and let live' - so much for the enviromental consideration.
Summertime - here from about September to May, I have most of the regular guns loaded with the CCI shotshells - after much experimentation (including a number of home brews) found them the most effective. The 45's cycle my SIG P220 just fine but not the 1911's (ok they have heavy recoil springs). Wifes regular gun is a Taurus 38SPL, 2 1/2", in season has two CCI's - as does my GP-100 when im feeling like carrying it about. Most frequent though is an American Arms 22 'Mini revolver' that fits in a wee magazine sheath that lives on my belt - the CCI 22's have worked fine every time - getting up close, about seeing the wihtes of the eyes (or glitter on the fangs or whatever). The 45 LC sounds great - they havent turned up in this part of the country and i've been using trimmed down and reloaded .410 cartridges (seal the birdshot in with plain old fashioned sealing wax). These go in my Vaquero's when im in a cowboy frame of mind.
Hasta pronto!
Peter Knight - Cordoba - Argentina
 
Can anyone tell me what the likelyhood is of these shells doing damgage to the barrel of my Springfield Compact? If they are safe they may be the answer to my concerns about overpenetration in my townhouse/apartment
living situation.
Daddycat

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daddycat:
Can anyone tell me what the likelyhood is of these shells doing damgage to the barrel of my Springfield Compact?[/quote]

The CCI box says the pellets are pure lead, so I don't imagine that the CCI loads would hurt anything.

Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
 
... and the lead doesn't usually touch the barrel anyway. The plastic carrier surrounds the pellets until it clears the muzzle. Not true for .22 shot shells, you might have to do some extra barrel scrubbing if you shoot a lot of them.
 
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