Anyone want a Kahr in .357sig

"Power yeah, but 100-150 foot pounds advantage to the .357 Sig really isn't all that much."

Same could be said about the .45 vs. P7, it's okay to have extra power, you know. I don't remmember any handgun having enough power for lethal encounter. TX DPS has already proven the barrier penetration advantages of the .357sig over both the 9mm and .45, enough so that the US SS purchased 3000 P229's and 1.5 million rounds of winchester a year. That said my carry guns are the P7M8 and P7M10.

I understand your prejudices, but had you been following the .357sig story more closely, you would have heard mention of stock Sig's attaining accuracy over and above the .45, much closer to your M19, but in a tidy easy to carry package. This is a direct result of headspacing off the shoulder instead of case mouth.

NO, concealability IS the issue, or we would all carry 870's.

IF you define nice following as the US Marshall, US SS, TX DPS (to name a few), OK.

It's obvious you're a wheelgunner, no hard feelings.
 
Not to get into a pissing match, Ehod, but this statement,

"but had you been following the .357sig story more closely, you would have heard mention of stock Sig's attaining accuracy over and above the .45"

means absolutely nothing without a little more basis.

Whose .45s were being tested, stock Para-Ords, HKs, Sigs, etc? No offense to Sig, but if they were testing against the P220, I'm not surprised. I've never found P220s to be nearly as accurate as they should be.

What were the testing conditions?

What ammo was used?

Etc. etc. etc.

Blanket statements like that are dangerous things to make, for as surely as they're made, there's evidence out there to knock them down.

I will give the .357 Sig its kudos for barrier penetration. Neither the .45 or the 9mm have every been that good at it for a variety of reasons.

"Concealibility is an issue, or we would all carry 870s."

I carry the next best thing, a Smith Model 19 2.5". Never had much trouble concealing it. :)
 
Never shot it 100 yards. I don't consider that to be anything even remotely realistic for a personal-protection handgun.

To be really frank about it, though, just how important is a half or quarter inch tighter group for a handgun, which by definition is an up close and personal handgun? Not very, in my opinion.

That's one of the big grips I always had against American Rifleman when I worked for them, as well as other gun magazines.

Their accuracy testing criteria for handguns really leaves a lot to be desired.

Testing handguns for accuracy at 25 yards is, as best as I can determine, simply a hold-over from the old days of static competitive handgun shooting. Granted, it does give a repeatable baseline for each gun, but it's based on a set of conditions are aren't really valid.

I worked with an American Rifleman coworker to come up with a series of tests that we felt were a bit more objective (most of the input was his), and which would better display the abilities of the gun.

Unfortunatly, it would have taken a lot more time and ammo for each gun, so it wasn't adopted, but it did have some people at the magazine interested.
 
Back to the actual topic!

A Kahr K357 could be called:

Secret Service backup, limited ed.
Secret Service off duty, limited ed.

Any other suggestions?
 
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