Anyone used Extreme Shock penetrating ammunition?

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Lambdebois

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If you have used it I'm curious as to what your thoughts on it are?

Also what was the situation you used it in?

Would you consider it an effective round for stopping BG's, attacking dog's, and other thin skinned animals?

The video's on the internet makes it looks really interesting....but I'd like to hear some real world opinions with experience using it.

Thanks in advance.
 
Use ammunition produced by a company that is a large ammo maker and enjoys a good reputation. Magic bullets produced by unknowns are kinda suspicious to me. If it was a great idea the major makers probably would have bought the rights to it. Ammunition is like medicine, you want something with a proven track record cause it might save your life. Something whipped up by the magic herbalist in his garage is not the first place I look for the solution to the problem!
 
Oh yea, the three cartoon mall ninjas! Now I remember, that is who I thought it was. I think that ammo is meant for shooting hostile space aliens and zombies. :D
 
My grandfather swears by extreme shock. He does more research than anyone I know, has shooting his whole life and hand loading as long as I can remember. He was in the army for most of his life. I trust his opinion with my life. I have done my own research and while I havent bought any(Mostly because I am not even sure I can buy it here in california) I would not hesitate to put it in my bedside piece.
 
Well while it's certainly not "scientific" data, there were some interesting results when Box O Truth tested these awhile back... http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

For those who dont wanna click thru, the "Lessons Learned":
Lessons learned:
The Extreme Shock ammo makes a couple of claims and we will look at the results. Please allow me to "paraphrase" some claims.

1. Claim: Their rounds are supposed to penetrate walls less than standard ammo.
Findings: The Fang Face penetrated 11 drywall boards, or over 5 interior walls without expanding or fragmenting. The Air Freedom round penetrated 4 boards, or 2 walls.

Less than a standard JHP round which penetrated all 12 boards, but still some penetration.

2. Claim: They are supposed to be able to penetrate a bad guy enough to be effective Stoppers.
Findings: Both the Fang Face and Air Freedom rounds only fully penetrated 1 jug and slightly entered the second jug.

This is equilivant of 3 or 4 inches of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Some experts have doubts that this is enough penetration to reach the vital organs of a bad guy.

3. Claim: They are advertised as worth their cost.
Finding: The cost for this ammo averaged about $1.85 per round, delivered. I see this as a big problem with "Specialty" ammo. We all know that it is very important to function test any carry ammo through your firearm. Who will or can afford to run 50 or 100 rounds of this stuff through a firearm to be sure it functions without a hitch?

Even if someone buys enough ammo to fill their magazine, it is unlikely that they will thoroughly test the functionality of the ammo.

I'm sure this ammo costs a lot to manufacture. Is it worth the cost? You be the judge. One thing for sure…..Shooting stuff is fun. :D

I think I'll just stick to the tried and true makers like Speer, Federal, etc. ;)
 
Funny to read that. I was just wondering the same thing about the Glaser "Safety Slugs"

I heard years ago that the Glasers were the baddest bullets on the block. For what they cost for 6 shots, I couldn't justify finding out.
 
I have yet to read anything about them that implies the company puts more investment and effort into bullet development and research than into graphic design and advertising to make us think that it's the best thing ever.

It's really hard to take a company seriously when they use advertising like that.
 
Use ammunition produced by a company that is a large ammo maker and enjoys a good reputation. Magic bullets produced by unknowns are kinda suspicious to me. If it was a great idea the major makers probably would have bought the rights to it. Ammunition is like medicine, you want something with a proven track record cause it might save your life.
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Yes, sir!

I don't trust any company with this kind of website.
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Amen!

Here's a pretty good discussion on defensive ammunition. Note: the author is listed as "anonymous", but I have seen the same report with the author's name.

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/VG1.html

There are several exotic ammunition designs ... such as the Glaser Safety Slug, Mag-Safe, GECO BAT 9mm, Thunderzap, et cetera. Generally speaking, I recommend that you avoid them. ... These rounds cost so much ($2-$4 each) that you will never practice with them and thus will not be certain of their reliability and accuracy in your gun. This is a big mistake: you should not carry a particular type of ammunition until you have fired at least 150 rounds through your semi-automatic gun to ensure reliable feeding (this doesn't really apply to revolvers, but you should still fire the ammunition you intend to carry to assure yourself of its accuracy).

'Glaser Safety Slugs' are one exotic round I can fully recommend, but only for revolvers in a few scenarios. The Glaser is a proven man-stopper and has very good quality control, but may not feed or cycle reliably in your automatic pistol. Because you cannot afford to fire enough Glasers to establish that it feeds reliably in your pistol (i.e. 100 test-fire rounds will cost $300), I cannot recommend them for pistol owners... ... the Glaser may not have the power to cycle your slide, and thus you may be carrying a single-shot gun... Walther PPK, H&K P7 series and SIG P230 are notorious for this failure-to-cycle problem with Glaser Safety Slugs).

Mag-Safes are imitations of Glasers, and I cannot recommend them due to poor quality control. Reliability is the number one requirement of a self-defense handgun, and Mag-Safes don't make the grade.

GECO "Blitz Action Trauma" or BAT 9mm rounds from Germany are a proven design ... that has proven itself to be very reliable and successful on the street. I recommend them, but they are very tough to find. Save yourself the trouble and use a good American-made hollowpoint.

Other exotics are best avoided. You may occasionally encounter "Omni-Shocks," "Terminators," "Annihilators," "Kaswer Law Grabbers," and other such marginalia in gun shops. Stay away. If you want to gamble, go to an Indian reservation. Don't gamble with your life, or the lives of others. Glasers and GECO 9mm BATs are the only proven exotics.
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I personally wouldn't want to trust my life to something that is not widely used.

The EPR rounds are even more expensive than what I'm paying for premium Hornady and Winchester hollow points, and those are costly enough.

Of course if you are using a revolver and have some money to burn .... Just use something proven for serious applications.
 
I don't trust any company with this kind of website.
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+1. (+3?) ;) I can't be the only one who's noticed that their entire marketing campaign seems like it's aimed* at 14-year-old boys. Can any serious gun enthusiast actually say the name "Fang Face" without snickering? :rolleyes:

*No pun intended. ;)
 
Thanks for the advice everyone.

I was talking more about the EPR rounds than the fang face rounds

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgist...d=1838378.7760
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Sounds like the glass barrier test the FBI ran before picking the Winchester PDX-1. There's a nice fluffy press release on Winchester's site and I think it's even turned up here.

Yup.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3404741

I don't particularly care for the name "supreme elite" but I guess it beats three photo-shopped ninjas dancing in lightning with their butts on fire ... if the goal is to avoid going over the top (and mine is).

I'll take the FBI and Winchester over Tesla-Ninjas every time.
 
This is equilivant of 3 or 4 inches of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Some experts have doubts that this is enough penetration to reach the vital organs of a bad guy.
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Now there is someone who has mastered the art of the understatement :)
 
Here is why I would reccomend against the round in question:

1. I have seen very few tests on Extreme Shock ammo, and the few that I have seen indicate that it offers significantly less penetration than I'm comfortable with in exchange for very little reduction in risk of collateral damage

2. The design is untested in real use, bullet designs like Silvertip, SXT, Hydra-Shok, Golden Saber, XTP, Gold Dots, etc. have actually been used in the real world and thusly we can judge their performance based at least in part on real application.

3. Like most exhotic rounds, this ammunition is far too expensive to shoot in any decent amount. I like to shoot a bare minimum of 50-100 rounds of ammunition (this is for a revolver, the number is higher for an auto) before relying upon it for self-defense. I simply could not afford to do that with Extreme Shock.

4. Their advertising is off-putting. In my experience, companies that advertise with such flamboyance are typically using it to cover up a deficiency somewhere else. The mall-ninjaness of Extreme Shock's advertisements and website does not give me the warm and fuzzies about the actual performance or quality of their ammunition.
 
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