Anyone still using or own the 45 AGP?

Considering the number of LEO trade in G21s, HK USP 45s and M&P 45s I've seen on the market somebody has been issuing them.
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I mentioned some local sheriff's departments who USED .45, and those are the only places I've seen any Glock 21s. I have yet to see anything other than a 1911 here or there being used by LEOs. The only H&Ks I've seen were 9mm. The "number" as used above seems to suggest a "lot" of .45 LEO trade-ins. You may be right, but if so, you must have found better sources than I have.

CDNN usually has a bunch of trade-ins, but I don't remember ever seeing any .45 LEO trade-ins there. Maybe I missed them -- which is certainly possible -- but I do check their catalog pretty regularly. Bunches of 9mm and .40 trades, SIGs and Glocks are there with every catalog. (I may have missed tom Glock 21s, but I don't think I would have easily overlooked some USP 45s.)
 
You may be right, but if so, you must have found better sources than I have.
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First I'm not saying they're a plentyful as 9mm and 40 trade ins it's not even close. Second yes I do have a pretty good source, guy out of the little town of Jetmore Ks. not sure where all he get's his but he's always got a tone of LEO trades and had a number of HK USP 45s. Third only took a two minute search to find that Santa Monica PD and Maine State PD bot issued USP45s.

Buds has some police trade in M&P 45s right now.
 
In my neck of the woods .45 is probably the most popular police caliber, maybe tied with .40. I work with about 5 LEO agencies regularly.

Nationally I know it's a distant 3rd behind 9 and .40, but it's by no means uncommon.
 
40 and 45 rules the roost with all levels of state and federal LE in my area. Our LGS got in a few police trade-in Glock 45GAP a few years back. They couldn't give the guns away. I mean so cheap that I might have bought one for decoration in my office.
 
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I don't trust any cart. beyond 9mm in a striker fired pistol like a Glock. The mass/weight of the slide of a 45 and 9 doesn't differ by much. The physics works well for 9 but to help ensure full chambering with the 45 I want a hammer.


"This statement makes no sense.

The mass/weight of the slide and the ignition system (hammer vs. striker) are two entirely different things."


Perhaps I’m biased because I largely got into auto pistols that are hammered. The only striker pistol I owned prior to the Glock is the 25ACP Raven, don’t reload/handload 25ACP. I mention the slide mass/weight because being about the same 9mm should chamber easier than a 45 cal cart. Because of my reloads being somewhat out of dimension toward the case mouth I have plenty of experience of rounds not chambering fully. I’m critical about safety in terms of powder type/charge and priming and case condition but lacks about turning the brass at the mouth because it works the brass and shortens life. My experience with deformed carts that won’t chamber properly is comparatively high yet I have no complaints because depending on the chamber of the hammered pistol I’ll pull the trigger of a somewhat out of battery condition and it fires as normal. This because the hammer will hit the slide first and still have enough energy to fire the cart. At times when the hammer doesn’t move the slide home enough, no bang.

Anyway I know I’m asking for it when I say there’s probably a lot more 9mm striker fired pistols out there than all other chamberings combined for striker fired. :eek: The blowups can be rather nasty for non 9mm that include destroying the trigger group, flight of the extractor and cracking the frame. 9mm, when it does happen, may blow the extractor and mag out of the pistol.

For those that use only perfect or near perfect factory new stuff striker fired will probably be fine for any cart. Me, I live in my own world, and hope to survive. :D
 
745SW said:
I mention the slide mass/weight because being about the same 9mm should chamber easier than a 45 cal cart.
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Most gunmakers seem to adjust slide mass/weight to control slide velocity, and use the recoil spring to make the system function (i.e., load the next round). I don't think slide mass/weight has much to do with how easily a round will chamber... Several other factors probably play a bigger role.

(There are exceptions, and with some guns they keep the slide the same, but vary the power of the recoil spring. That works fine but can make the slide very hard to rack when you get into the larger calibers.)

745SW said:
Because of my reloads being somewhat out of dimension toward the case mouth I have plenty of experience of rounds not chambering fully. I’m critical about safety in terms of powder type/charge and priming and case condition but lacks about turning the brass at the mouth because it works the brass and shortens life. My experience with deformed carts that won’t chamber properly is comparatively high yet I have no complaints because depending on the chamber of the hammered pistol I’ll pull the trigger of a somewhat out of battery condition and it fires as normal. This because the hammer will hit the slide first and still have enough energy to fire the cart. At times when the hammer doesn’t move the slide home enough, no bang.
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Probably takes a pretty heavy hammer spring to have that work consistently.

But you seem to be saying, in effect, that a gun that will fire when the slide is out of battery (at least initially) is a good thing...
 
Being able to fire out of battery "initialy" is within the ability of a hammered pistol to do safely has been my belief and experience. To clarify I've done this with Colt, S&W and Sig. The cart. Is 45ACP.
 
Walt, here in FL, the Fish and Wildlife Commission issues the Gen 4 Glock 21, but right off the top of my head (and w/o doing some searching), that is the only agency I can think of issuing a .45 ACP sidearm.

I have a very good friend who is a Constable for Harris County, Texas that carries a Sig P220, but I don't believe that is general issue.
 
Walt, here in FL, the Fish and Wildlife Commission issues the Gen 4 Glock 21, but right off the top of my head (and w/o doing some searching), that is the only agency I can think of issuing a .45 ACP sidearm.
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Alaska State Troopers and Fairbanks PD issue the 21.
 
The thing that prompted my followup remark was someone stating he had seen (implicitly) a lot of .45 ACP trade-ins, and I've never seen that.

I'd guess the number of sworn LEOs carrying .45s as issued weapons is far less than 5% of the total... That is a guess, but I don't know how anyone could ever verify or disprove it -- so it's worth what you paid for it.

Alaska, for example, has about 600 sworn highway patrol and wildlife troopers, and the Florida Fish & Wildlife commision has 2000 employees, and some of them aren't LEOs. By searching the web I found that the Indiana State Police moved to the SIG P227 (.45 ACP) in late 2013, and they have about 1300 troopers. The New York Police Department has more than 34,000 sworn officers all shooting 9mm DAO guns with 12 lb. triggers.

I once saw some .45 GAP trade-ins on one site: Glock 37s. I was low on cash at the or I would have jumped on them. (About $290...)
 
I'm unsure if they still do, but the Texas DPS issue for troopers was the Sig P220. That was several years ago and may have changed by now.
 
Walt, next time I go home I will check for you, but my local Gander Mountain (Jacksonville, FL) had some FHP Glock 37 trade-ins in the used case. Or at least they did a couple of months ago, as I haven't went there since then and I do not recall the asking prices.
 
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Walt, next time I go home I will check for you, but my local Gander Mountain (Jacksonville, FL) had some FHP Glock 37 trade-ins in the used case. Or at least they did a couple of months ago, as I haven't went there since then and I do not recall the asking prices.
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Maybe that's why I haven't seen many .45 trade in (although the purists might argue that .45 GAP isn't a true .45) -- I don't go to Gander Moutain more than once a year.
 
Model12Win said:
I don't get why the 37 is only a ten shooter while the 21 is a 13 shooter. Same height.
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Good question. While they seem to be the same height the 37 is actually a bit taller than the 21 (5.51" vs 5.47"), but the s1 slide is about .1" wider. That tenth of an inch must account for part of the difference when double-stacking ammo.

You'd think Glock could have done a little better job of squeezing some extra rounds in there.

I think that's because the Glock 37 is based on the same frame as the Glock 17/22/31 which is less tall and .1" narrower than the 21 frame. Actual grip or magazine measurement aren't easily found on the web... so I'm doing some guessing. I know the 22 mags seem to dwarf the 37 mags (or the similar-sized 17/22/31 mags.

I've been told by folks on the Glock forum that the Glock 38 frame will accept and function with a 19/23 or 32 slide and mags, and the Glock 37 frame can be easily modified to work with a 17/22/or 31 slide slide or mags -- only a minor part change or two is required. (Since the recoil springs are the same, that suggests that the slides themselves must be slightly different -- but specs on the Glock site don't show it. I've been told the Glock 37/38 slides are a bit heftier (wider and heavier) than their smaller caliber relatives.

The potential compatibility noted above is why I've not been worried about someday running out of .45 GAP ammo.

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I've got a 45 GAP, Glock 38, "soft shooting" for the power.
Chrono averages for 5 shots:
Winchester 230 Ranger T @ 837 fps/ 358# KE
Speer Gold Dot 200 @ 949 fps / 400# KE
Speer Gold Dot 185 @ 1,062 fps / 463# KE
Buffalo Bore Barnes Tac-XP 160 @ 1,197 fps / 509# KE
 
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