Anyone pick a rifle over a shotgun?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr.Rob:
If you know your pattern.. and know the ranges (like inside your house) there is a VERY good chance your target would get hit by the shot "en-mass" before it has a chance to spread. Even #9 will act like a slug if its within 10 feet. This is what makes shotguns so lethal. They make BIG holes, or a LOT of holes.
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Have you pattern tested your SG with the #9 at 10 feet?

I have pattern tested No.4 2/75" mag buck and 9 pellet 00 tactical buck both by Federal out of my shotgun. At 5; 10; 15; 20; & 25 paces. I use paces because that is how I have measured the ranges inside my apartment.

In my apartment I have a very postive backstop if I keep my lines of fire where they are supposed to be since I have brick exterior walls.

I have found with my SG that I would not rely on No.4 buck past 5 paces or the Tactical OO past 10 paces if I am worried about over pentration or stray pellets. The patterns are effective enough past those ranges for at least another 5 paces to put someone down, but there will be a lot of buckshot going around the target even if I hit them dead center.

One or two steps can make a huge difference in a SG pattern.

I prefer to KNOW where my shots will hit when the trigger is pressed. I prefer slugs or carbines for most situations. And for people who won't pattern test their home defense load at various ranges, which covers a lot of people IMO, I think the 5.56 or M1 carbine or such is much better. Not to mention more comfortable to shoot.

YMMV
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FinnishForce:
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ten feet.. for me that's three steps (i have a long stride) and three steps away from the barrel of my shotgun there is a ragged hole in the cardboard about an inch across with a few "flyers" and sometimes a hole where the wad went through the cardboard. At 20 feet with #9 that pattern opens up to about a six inch diameter of dense shot with flyers extending out here and there. TRY shooting steels at 15-20 yards with birdshot and you'd be amazed how many people MISS.

Shot guns are not laser beams or hand grenades.. You still have to put the sights on target to make the shot go where you want it to.

With a hostage maybe a rifle or carbine would be better.. but I don't anticipate that being an issue.

Do you know where your rifle shoots at 10 feet? At 15? if you are shooting an Ar15 your eyes are 2.5 inches above the bore line. at ten feet you have a very good chance of getting a shoot through (your hostage) if you don't hold high. 2.5 inches is a LOT of leeway when your adrenaline is up.

Hope None of us ever has to make a hostage shot.. get a big dog to aid in your home defense to prevent this.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr.Rob:
ten feet.. for me that's three steps (i have a long stride) and three steps away from the barrel of my shotgun there is a ragged hole in the cardboard about an inch across with a few "flyers" and sometimes a hole where the wad went through the cardboard. At 20 feet with #9 that pattern opens up to about a six inch diameter of dense shot with flyers extending out here and there. TRY shooting steels at 15-20 yards with birdshot and you'd be amazed how many people MISS.

Shot guns are not laser beams or hand grenades.. You still have to put the sights on target to make the shot go where you want it to.

With a hostage maybe a rifle or carbine would be better.. but I don't anticipate that being an issue.

Do you know where your rifle shoots at 10 feet? At 15? if you are shooting an Ar15 your eyes are 2.5 inches above the bore line. at ten feet you have a very good chance of getting a shoot through (your hostage) if you don't hold high. 2.5 inches is a LOT of leeway when your adrenaline is up.

Hope None of us ever has to make a hostage shot.. get a big dog to aid in your home defense to prevent this.
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What kind of choke do you have? That is a very tight pattern compared to what my gun shoots. At 10' I get about a 2.5" group with the 9 pellet OO buck Fed tactical load.

I agree with the bird dog part...fact is I have suggested using a dog for house clearing to some friends. Just train it enough so it will let you know if a friend or unknow person is in the house. Once you know that you can call for backup.

I don't think a non LEO has any need to try a hostage shot or house clearing. If you clear a house by yourself what prevents the Goblins from extracting before you get to them? What if they take hostages with them?
 
that's with federal low brass target/clays load and a rifled tube out of a remington 870 12 guage with a 21 inch deer barrel.. it seems like in most cases at 10 feet the wad and shot are traveling together.. with larger shot the pellets spread faster.. which is why so many people recommend #4 buckshot.. it spreads quickly but is still large enough to be lethal.
 
I too choose a PC4. That would be for the bump in the night scenario, along with the P94 on my hip. That 180 gr. bullet at over 1300 fps can sure do some damage.
 
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