Anyone had to sign a new form when buying a gun from a gunshop?

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I went to pick up a pistol that I had on lay-away as the deadline was quickly approaching and when I filled out the yellow federal form, the gun dealer handed me another form to sign. It was white and it basicly said that I agree to keep the firearm out of the hands of minors and restrict access to unauthorized users.

I asked what this was all about and he said that it is now required. I said that I never heard of this before and wasn't going to sign it. He said that he then couldn't sell me the gun. I said fine and to give me back my deposit. He said that deposits were non-refunadable and pointed to a huge sign stating that fact and the fine print on the lay-away agreement.

To make a long story short, I didn't want to lose the deposit money so I signed the form but this whole thing got me curious so I drove around town looking for another gunshop in the same city. Finding one, I bought another gun (my wife is going to kill me when she sees the visa statement) and this time I wasn't asked to sign this white form. I casually asked about the "white form" and he said that it was news to him.

Anyone else ever asked to sign this white form or know anything about it? Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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[This message has been edited by FUD (edited May 18, 2000).]
 
Florida. Again, the second dealer didn't require it and didn't even hear of it. Just curious as to what might be going on.
 
FUD,

I'm only guessing, but I bet that only the gun shops that had to turn in their sales lists to the BATF a month or so ago, have to have people sign those forms. You know the shops that I am talking about, they were the ones that had a certain number of firearms turn up in some sort of criminal activity.

Joe

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Did they sell Smith and Wesson products? Just a thought..........

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Signed a white waiver in south TX a few month ago when I purchased a Sig. It basically said that I did not intend to use the firearm for criminal purposes and that the dealer was in no way responsible for negligent/criminal use on my part.
I know it is not the law here in TX because I have only had to sign this form with one FFL. He said it was just a liability issue and that his lawyer had prepared the waiver.
 
I signed a similar white form back in January, but did not have to sign one in February or April when I purchased other guns, both from other stores. I assumed it was a liability issue. The same store also provided me with additional written information on gun safety and on protecting children from guns...information in addition to what was in the box.

I have no problem saying I won't sue the store for my purchase or that I don't hold them responsible for something going wrong, so I signed the form.

FUD, I liked your experimental approach. If I (A) purchase (B) gun and get (C) white form at this (D) gun store, will this pattern repeat at another store (E)?
Given D, A+B=C
Given E, A+B#C

Sounds like science. Your wife should be pleased. I suggest you expand your sample size since a sample of 2 is not considered reliable.
 
Kieslers in Jefersonville, IN has a blue form that you have to fill out. THis is an internal form to make thier lawyers happy. All it says is that I have been shown the saftey Features, etc, and that I do not intend to use the firearm(s) in a criminal manner.
 
This is bull$h!t! Some perp who did sign that statement would get a lawyer who would get around it. If he was a convicted felon, no doubt he could use the self-incrimination defense. Just another stigma laid on the gun owner, and I would shun such a dealer and tell him why.

It seems only fair then, that some of our members in the legal profession could come up with a similar form, fit to print from this or some other website.

It would require that the dealer state that is OK for you to use the firearm to defend your life or that of your family.

Watch the back-pedalling begin. Do it before you put a non-refundable deposit down though. ;)

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FUD, go back to the store and get a copy of what you signed. That is not only common courtesy, but it is also standard commercial practice. If they refuse, have your attorney give them a call. My guess is similar to those above ... this was something the shop owner decided to impose. The refusal to refund your deposit was pretty unattractive strong-arming, IMHO.

FFL's are running scared, and I don't know if I blame them.

Regards from AZ
 
When I purchased from this dealer before, there was no white form. I agree that refusing to give back the deposit was "unattractive strong-arming" and he has lost a customer for life. I gave him a lot of business over the years and now I'll be taking my business else where.
 
I just signed a yellow form yesterday and no additional forms were required. That "new" requirement sounds like a store requirement and not even a local gov. one. I'm sure you'll let them know how it will affect their sales since you are going to let the entire shooting world know not to do biz with them.
 
Don't buy from dealers. Private sales only.

Was the white form part of the original purchase agreement? If it was not, you could have said, "give me my deposit back (what was it, $20?) or you will spend more time and money in court." File in court and make him pay a lawyer to fight it.

Rick
Those of you who say you don't have time to do that, quit bitchin'. Those who feel it is bad to sue an FFL will only allow the other side to sue the FFL. That will make the FFL pay attention to them and not to you.
 
FUD,

Take the firearm back that you just purchased at the store with the white form for a full refund. I bet they have a return policy. IF they don't, I wouldn't shop there any more. AND I WOULD TELL THEM WHY! Its just a bunch of lawyers trying to generate income.

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Bought a gun last friday in honor of MMM. Have bought from this store before. When I was finally able to pick it up on monday, because of the NICS 'software' failure the owner had a new form to sign. He explained that it was a legal thing recommended by his lawyer. Basicly it said that if I did something stupid with the gun he was not liable.
 
If a dealer asked me to sign a form stating that I wasn't going to do something stupid with the gun, I would have to say "I can't sign it because I am going to do something stupid with the gun, I'm going to leave it here and NOT buy it".

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