Anyone else tired of the "tactical" garbage?

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BTW, every time I go to my indoor range 99% of the people there can't hit crap, and they all shooting something entirely different but pretty much the usual stuff, glocks, m&p's, etc...

I guess by reading this thread they have NO business being there, I mean, what are they thinking? One of them even had some camo pant's and he could barely hit the paper, can you believe the nerve of that guy? What a douchbag!!! LOL

Sorry but you guys seriously need to lighten up. WOW.
 
It doesnt bother me if someone wants to put a light or etc on his gun, the only thing that is annoying are those who literally have 10,000 worth of crap tied on and acts like it makes them a navy seal. Or those who tell you that you need a 4,000 dollar scope and then ask how much your life is worth when tou say you don't want to spend that much
 
Although I have no interest in 90% of the "tactical" stuff that is out there, I do like some of it. I'm glad this market exists, because every now and then I can find something that is quite useful. Examples:

1. Bought a SCAR CQB stock for my AC556. It permitted me to put away the never-to-be-made-again factory folder. I could easily mount an optic, add a more comfortable folding stock, and easily mount a forward grip which really helps with full-auto fire. Also, the gun is more accurate because it fits very snugly in the aluminum stock.

2. The tactical forward grip mentioned previously really helps with muzzle control with full-auto fire.

3. Eotech sights are tacticool......but they really work.
 
Yet at the same time most of you on this thread are now saying its the gun and all the trimmings that make the guy a poor shot, not the guy himself.
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Wrong.


The guy doesn't learn how to shoot but he learned how to open a Tapco catalog and hang crap all over the gun.

Kinda like in hot rodding. If it doesn't go you need to chrome it.
 
feets,

I enjoyed your post. In fact, I enjoyed them all.

I have to admit my AR has a red dot scope and 3x magnifier hanging on it.

I'm 66 years old, with cataracts. My first range visit with the AR was using the stock iron sights. Fact is, I couldn't hit squat beyond 50 yards. The red dot and magnifier let me do just fine at 100 yards.

I just had laser surgery on my left (dominant eye). Haven't been to the range yet, but I'm guessing the 3x magnifier may come off. I'll keep the red dot, it has a real function, and the iron sights still work with it.

I bought a laser for my Ruger LC9 pistol. After the first range trip I realized it was more trouble than it was worth. I carry the LC9 for self defense, and the laser just gets in my way. :D
 
The guy doesn't learn how to shoot but he learned how to open a Tapco catalog and hang crap all over the gun.
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Oh, come on, you can do both. You can have a gun that you made "tacticool" just because you wanted to; and then have a go to pistol/rifle that you shoot really well.

In fact, I only own a few guns that I actually train with - the rest are just for fun. I have 3 guns that are small enough to carry - I only carry one of them (Ruger LC9, for now). I have a bunch of interesting semi-auto pistols - but I now only shoot one of them as a range gun - Sig X-Five. And, I hunt with a Savage 30-06. I could keep only these three guns and wouldn't miss any of the others from a practical standpoint. But, I would be sad, because I do like having all of those useless guns.:(

I suspect that I am a lot like 90% of the folks on this forum. Perhaps we don't all have a bunch of uber-tacticool type guns; but most of us have a bunch of guns we don't do much with other than just like having them.
 
I see the OP is yet another post on how he doesn't like the fact that things have changed and times have passed him by. The way things used to be was better than now. Change is bad. Anything more modernized or updated than what he has is wrong because he has the correct level of updated gear.

Life must be pretty bad if you are here to complain about the guns and gear OTHER people are using and enjoying simply because you don't like them.
 
To each their own

Live and let live (shoot and let shoot)

If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all

Talking behind someones back is a cowardly thing to do, man up and go talk to the people you have issues with. If you approach them and ask some questions you may learn something and in turn you may be able to teach them something.

They way the OP feels about tacticool is no different than the way POTUS, and the majority of this administration, feel about any civilian with any type of weapon.

We need to stick together as shooters regardless of the weapons each of us choose to shoot or the clothing we choose to wear.

Off topic - By any chance is the OP from a north eastern state or raised in one? My other guess would be California. I ask this as a personal observation to a theory I have.
 
Ide say for the most part I'm in agreement with you. I know I'm part of the generation that partakes in all of that "tacticool" stuff, but I can tell you I prefer m1's and revolvers, I love my plain ak's and sks's and bolt guns. I do prefer my m9 over the 1911 ( yes I just said that). I have 1 AR not much "tacticool" stuff on it except it has a forend on the front and a cheap 3-9x30 scope on top. But thats the gun that got my gf into shooting, and her favorite gun to shoot.
And I think thats the point isnt it? To get more people involved in shooting whether they prefer single action revolvers and lever guns or they like to shoot an ar-15 with green zombie heads all over it with a $500 red dot on top and magnifyer behind it and a bi-pod and a chainsaw attached to the bottom.
I would never attack another recreational shooter thats just out enjoying the range and letting the brass hit the floor whether or not they're actually hitting paper.
 
Love it. I thought I was the only person (besides my wife) who thought the tacticool stuff was cute. For my birthday my daughter has promised to emblazon "Dad's Tacticool Fishing Vest" on the back of my IDPA required shoot me first cover vest.

As NOT ex military I intentionally avoid clothing and doodads that make me out to be a mall ninja. The closest I may get is "tactical :cool: brown Walmart Bermuda shorts or hiking pants in out terrible 3.7 hours of winter we have in Central Texas.

I will note, while I see some of this at the range, most of it seems to be in gun mags/catalogs. The tactical pen we saw in a amagazine made both the wife and I laugh hysterically.

I've shot in a carbine match with my M1 carbine using standard 15 round magazines. I did just as well as the black rifle gadget guys. Some of them didn't know what kind of gun I had and thought it was shooting big bullets. Somehow, this old soldier was an alien artifact with it's wood stock and handguard. Sad.
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I have seriously thought recently about taking Dad's M1 carbine out and doing that. :D
 
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As NOT ex military I intentionally avoid clothing and doodads that make me out to be a mall ninja. The closest I may get is "tactical brown Walmart Bermuda shorts or hiking pants in out terrible 3.7 hours of winter we have in Central Texas.
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I'm the same way. I DO own one pair of camo pants, but I use them for mowing the lawn and other outdoor gardening. Reason being, they're comfy, have lots of pockets for things, and they're impossible to stain (if the dirt and grass stains don't come out, they merely enhance the pattern).

But wear them to the range? One might as well go to a concert wearing the T-shirt of the band you're there to see. :D
 
Got to admit I love reading the OP's Post. Right on for the most part.

Its about the software (shooter and fundamentals) not the hardware (crap you hang on a rifle) that makes a shooter.

Having said. We need to leave the tacticool guys alone. Maybe even encourage them to buy more tactical stuff.

The more money they spend to make themselves tactical, the less ammo they can afford to buy.

Meaning more ammo for us.
 
My biggest objection to the OP is where is the line drawn?

I have an AR that serves as a HD gun. I have exactly 4 things mounted to it: red dot optic, BUIS, an angled foregrip, and a flashlight. Now most people will agree that the first three are "functional" enhancements (you do NEED a place to put your support hand and a way to make sure you hit what you aim at, right?), and the light will come in handy if I ever needed to use the gun in my home at night.

But what if I forget to remove the flashlight from the 2" rail section before I hit the range for the day as I usually do? Does that make me a tacticool, mall-ninja, SPECOPS wannabe? Or am I a guy with a "practical" gun for the purpose it is designed for, and just forgot to make it appearance ready for people at the range?
 
To play devil's advocate why to you need the BUIS? Either the red dot works or it doesn't. Fidling around with it in a home invasion situation seems counterintuitive.

The light is personal preference and many people don't like the idea of showing where you are at with one, but thats personal preference and I can understand it.
 
I'm sorry but on one hand the OP is telling us what we should have and not have and I can guarantee you he and all the other supporters on this thread are also pro 2A and believes the government has no business telling us what guns and accessories we are allowed to own, talk about hypocrisy. :(

Seriously guys, live and let live, this is what freedom is all about. Its just that simple.
 
I'm sorry but on one hand the OP is telling us what we should have and not have...Seriously guys, live and let live, this is what freedom is all about. Its just that simple.
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Yes, I respectfully agree with this statement. I mean aren’t some of the older “classic” guns actually the “tactical” stuff of their time – 1911?
 
General consensus among friends who have actually used carbines is foregrip, optic, light, sling, and BUIS. Seems these are actually useful.

I don't own any long guns, but I'll eventually get an AR, and will probably out those things on it. I promise not to decide that doing so will make me a Navy SEAL.
 
To play devil's advocate why to you need the BUIS? Either the red dot works or it doesn't. Fidling around with it in a home invasion situation seems counterintuitive.
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I have both mounted because my wife also has access to the gun. Her cheek weld is at a different spot than mine and the BUIS are more natural to her while the red dot with a 1/3 low cowitness is more natural to me. There is no fiddling around as they are not flip ups, and are always "up." One of the compromises of having two people that use the same gun.

I do not mean to derail from the OPs thread, but this is exactly what I am referring to when I ask, "where is the line drawn?" For our situation, two sighting systems makes the gun more functional. In my mind, that is where the line should be drawn, when it becomes form over function. But just as in this example, functionality can vary from person to person.
 
I would have to agree that some people are over enthusiastic about their shooting interests, but it isn't limited merely to the tactical crowd.

The SASS/CAS groups love their old western aliases and their replicated 19th century regalia.

The IPSC/USPSA gamers wear their speed rigs, NASCAR-esque jerseys, and modified speed guns.

Let's not forget the first time mosin owners who show up to shoot in combat boots with draped bandoliers of linked 308 over their megadeath/metallica t-shirts, that insist on shooting with the bayonet extended.

To each their own. I'm ok with having a hobby that has diverse subgroups. It keeps it interesting. :p
 
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