Any thoughts about the new PSA PS9 Dagger?

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The Palmetto State Armory PS9 Dagger was introduced on the shot-show as a $299 Glock killer. Based on the Gen 3 19. I personally have no experience with PSA, but this looks like a decent gun for a great price, I might actually go get one. Besides the price, the Gen 3 is a proven reliable shooter. Does anyone have experience with PSA?
 
PSA has been good to me, mostly for AR related purchases. I'll wait a while to see more reviews on the Dagger, make sure theres no bugs.
 
I think the question will be can they keep up with demand and will we ever see them in local stores. A lot of PSA products sell out very frequently. That’s good from the perspective of their products sell, but it makes getting one tough for a number of months when they are initially released. Also, if they never appear anywhere other than online then I don’t see them as a Glock killer. Selling direct to consumers is great as it cuts costs for the consumer, but the consumer has to know about your product to go find it. Many people on the forum here are enthusiasts, but many more people that buy firearms buy what they see in the store. If we’re talking the mass installment basis of Glock, then I think you have to get a product to the point of in store sales to approach that.

I will add I’m still interested in one.


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I had to look at them on line to see what they were. Looks just like my SW9VE in a lot of ways. A gun I also paid $300 for and got a $40 rebate and two free factory mags with it.

I hope they do well with their sales. I am on the hunt for a Glock but will most likely just get the real thing and be done with it.
 
I think TunnelRat has some solid points about people wanting to get their hands on this, BUT, since it shares soooooo much with the gen 3 19, I'm going to assume a lot of folks are going to have this train of thought...

PSA is not hiding the fact it's a Glock clone that shares parts, including trigger group, and magazines. That tells them it's going to feel just like a Glock, albeit with some grip mods, and they are going to want it. Especially since it's a Glock for less money and more options.

In short, it's going to sell, and sell well, unless by some stroke of bad luck, it doesn't work like a Glock.
 
If Smith & Wesson couldn't beat Glock with their lower cost yet high quality SIGMA Series of pistols, even after numerous revisions and improvements to the platform which have long since addressed every practical issue, (No, 8lbs isn't too heavy for a DA trigger, eat a Cheeseburger and get some exercise.) nor their M&P Series of pistols which are priced competitively and effectively 1-UPed the Glock at launch, then nothing ever will.

Glock has effectively become the Colt of Polymer-Framed Semiautomatic Pistols, they're no longer the undisputed best and have tons of tough competition, but folks continue to buy them based solely on their reputation.
 
Glock has effectively become the Colt of Polymer-Framed Semiautomatic Pistols, they're no longer the undisputed best and have tons of tough competition, but folks continue to buy them based solely on their reputation.
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I buy them because I like them despite having owned M&P 1.0s, M&P 2.0s, XDs, XDms, P99s, PPQs, P10cs, SR9s, VP9s, FNSs, APXs, P320s, etc. I owned all of those and kept the Glocks.

Now that said, do people buy them because of their reputations? Absolutely. There are people that walk into stores and ask for a Glock, simply because the name is familiar.

No, 8lbs isn't too heavy for a DA trigger, eat a Cheeseburger and get some exercise.)
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Shooting and overall fitness aren't really one in the same (you can be fat and still shoot well, I've seen it). Can an 8 lb. trigger be shot? Of course. But why? Even S&W realized that with the M&P. The triggers on the 2.0s are head and shoulders above what even the first M&Ps were like.
 
Shooting and overall fitness aren't really one in the same (you can be fat and still shoot well, I've seen it). Can an 8 lb. trigger be shot? Of course. But why? Even S&W realized that with the M&P. The triggers on the 2.0s are head and shoulders above what even the first M&Ps were like.
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Except for when your fingers are apparently so weak that pulling a mere eight point trigger is strenuous.

Seriously, Revolvers and various Semiautomatic Pistols had Double Action Triggers which were 8lbs or more for generations, yet few folks back in those days whined about it being too heavy in spite of the existence of firearms with substantially lighter SA triggers like the 1911, nor did they attempt to claim that the weight of said triggers made accuracy impossible.
In fact, some of the most highly praised, popular firearms in the past had substantially heavier triggers like the Walther PPK. So how is it that the 8lb DA Trigger on a S&W SD gets trash-talked left and right? Heck, even the lighter 5lb triggers on Glocks receive their fair share of belly-aching. It's ridiculous.
 
I don't think people are really so weak they can't pull the trigger. I think the point is the trigger is heavier than a number of other options. Triggers can be closer to each other if we are talking one DA/SA versus another. Even then, however, people have noted that the DA on certain HKs was notably heavier than some other DA/SA pistols. Or they compared the triggers on Ruger Security Sixes to the Model 19, Colt Trooper, etc. People have been having custom work done to the triggers of their firearms since well before the Sigma stepped onto the stage.

Maybe people today really do complain more, it could be. I think the internet allows that perception to build more easily simply because it's easier to share and read the opinions of others. From my experience, people notice things. If the argument is they should just get over it, yeah I suppose, but in a free market they can choose to buy other options. And for many that's what they do. For a manufacturer when people choose to buy the competition that's not a winning strategy.
 
Forte S+W said:
If Smith & Wesson couldn't beat Glock with their lower cost yet high quality SIGMA Series of pistols, even after numerous revisions and improvements to the platform which have long since addressed every practical issue, (No, 8lbs isn't too heavy for a DA trigger, eat a Cheeseburger and get some exercise.) nor their M&P Series of pistols which are priced competitively and effectively 1-UPed the Glock at launch, then nothing ever will.

Glock has effectively become the Colt of Polymer-Framed Semiautomatic Pistols, they're no longer the undisputed best and have tons of tough competition, but folks continue to buy them based solely on their reputation.
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And because they are generally 100% reliable, accurate, not expensive and are supported by a TON of after market 'stuff'..NOT based solely on reputation, IMHO..

Well, their reputation is a gun that's 100% reliable out of the box, very accurate and not expensive with TONS of aftermarket 'stuff'..so I guess, that reputation...:)
 
Interesting to read but around here new Gen 3 Glock 19 are going for around $399. For that price I would rather stay with Glock but always nice to see more firearms available.
 
sigarms228 said:
Interesting to read but around here new Gen 3 Glock 19 are going for around $399. For that price I would rather stay with Glock but always nice to see more firearms available.
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Is that in store? I see that online (ironically the last time was from PSA) but not in store, at least for my location. If you’re seeing that in store then yeah that certainly closes the gap. I think stores around me are at $500 for a Gen 3 or $550 for a Gen 4/5.


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TunnelRat said:
Is that in store? I see that online (ironically the last time was from PSA) but not in store, at least for my location. If you’re seeing that in store then yeah that certainly closes the gap. I think stores around me are at $500 for a Gen 3 or $550 for a Gen 4/5.


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Yeah I have gotten emails from a couple local stores with the $399 price "on sale" not sure the every day price but they run sales pretty regularly including a local Point Blank store. I will have to check their regular price next time I am there.
 
sigarms228 said:
Yeah I have gotten emails from a couple local stores with the $399 price "on sale" not sure the every day price but they run sales pretty regularly including a local Point Blank store. I will have to check their regular price next time I am there.
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That’s a good deal.

I suppose one response Glock could have (if they felt they needed a response) is to just lower the price on their Gen 3s. I think part of the reason Gen 3 is still around, besides people just liking it, is that it’s already approved in CA. But at some point I’d imagine they’ll not have three generations of pistols for sale simultaneously.


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Gen 3 glocks are the 1911 of polymer world. There are high end ones and now we have a rock island glock [emoji4]
Seems they all fix the grip angle a bit.

I agree that they have to be at retail locations if they want to sell to the masses.

If I understand it correctly the first gen Sigma was so close to Glock that S&W was sued by Glock and lost.

That's when the funky trigger came out. Also the if the DA trigger on the Sigma was like a Kahr or Beretta it would not be bad. It's some kind of stacky mushy hot mess IMO.

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If I understand it correctly the first gen Sigma was so close to Glock that S&W was sued by Glock and lost.
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Not quite, but that is how most online versions of the story go...

In reality, nobody besides Smith & Wesson or Glock knows the exact details because it was settled out of court, and neither company has ever shared specific details.

Rumor has it that Smith & Wesson paid Glock royalties on the SIGMA Series right up until the release of the Gen 4 SD Series which was redesigned as part of an agreement, but that doesn't add up because the SD still shares all of the major similarities between the SIGMA and Glock.
Another rumor with a bit more validity to it is that the SIGMA was never in fact similar enough to the Glock to infringe on any of their patents, but Glock jumped the gun and filed a lawsuit they couldn't win and upon closer inspection discovered this, prompting them to issue an ultimatum to a wide array of retailers that if they carried the SIGMA, then Glock would cease to do business with them. Supposedly this worked, and a lot of big retailers wouldn't even carry the SIGMA, so eventually Smith & Wesson approached Glock, offering them a settlement so that Glock would lift the ultimatum.

But rumors are just that... Hearsay, speculation, and often times outright conjecture. There are all sorts of wild theories on what actually happened, including a particularly ludicrous one which gets repeated quite often that SIGMAs have heavy triggers because of said lawsuit, either because of changes S&W made to address patent infringement or because Glock essentially forced S&W to make the trigger excessively heavy in order to make it less desirable. Meanwhile, in reality, the trigger on the Gen 1 SW40F was actually worse than later post-settlement models, so that theory is complete nonsense, but people quote it as truth all the time.
 
The trigger on the SW and SD pistols are easily made better and there are after market trigger kits if you want to go that way. But my complaint is not with the trigger pull but the long reset. The reset is almost as long as a double action revolver. In contrast the triggers on my 39-2 and 915 reset in what must be no more than a quarter inch of forward travel.:confused:
 
I saw on a PSA page that they, after more then a year, finally started shipping the Dagger, I am very curious and might want to get one (especially for that price). Anybody got one of these?
 
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