Any Problems With Winchester Primers Lately?

If flipping sideways is a Problem in priming that is not an issue of the primer. Priming Hardware is the Problem.

As I used the Lee ram prime Equipment almost all primers flipped. Once they flip and you press them they get crushed and do not go off.
I stopped using the Lee ram prime with the Lyman T Mag II Turret press and instead use the Lyman priming arm which came with the press. That works flawless.
 
I'm having hang-ups, ect.
After some inspections, ragged burrs on lip of cup, out of round, ect.

If my primers showed up at the front door with all of those problems I would insist the delivery company switch from rock hauling trucks to all air-ride:rolleyes:.


F. Guffey
 
Non plated primers always gave me fits until I polished my primer feed table.
Solved the issue...

I've always had good luck and consistancy with WSR primers until the last year or so,
I measure the primer batch, cut primer pockets to fit the primers I use and always had VERY good results... Until lately...
No issue with CCI when I use them.

I have a 500 primer feed tube, switched back to 100 feed because of the hang-ups, trying to wrangle up to 500 when there is a feed hang is a daunting job!
Got tired of picking primers up off the bench, floor, out of my cloths,
Although the cat likes to bat them around!

Just wondering if anyone else had issues or it was just my home made equipment showing its age...
 
In the last six weeks I have gone through about 800 Winchester primers and anouther 600 earlier. I don't recall ever having a primer not fire since 1978.

I have found that cases vary in pocket shape and depth is very common in rifle cases.

I have found that when I started using the Redding primer pocket uniformer on my rifle cases. All pocket problems go away such as tension pressing and primers seat at the proper depth.

I have found that some of the hand priming tool tray feeders will very in shape do to a plastic warping problem.
 
No problems here. Still shooting my stainless cup (yellow/white packaging) Winchesters I bought over 30 years ago from Dexter Automotive aka Powder Valley.:o
 
What Frankenmauser said.

Yes, there have been many QC issues with Winchester primers over the past few years, the worst is blowout at the radius with WLR primers, eating the bolt face.

I used Winchester primers almost exclusively for many years, up until they quit plating them. that seems to be when the problems started showing up.

I don't have any problems with their 209's.
 
Uniform primer pockets as part of case prep goes a long way in preventing problems, I can't remember the last time I had any problems seating primers or a failure to fire! William
 
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Winchester brass

While we are on the topic of Winchester reloading components. I must say that Winchester brass and bullets are also on the low end of the quality scale. The neck tension in Winchester brass is by far the weakest. When I'm reloading bulk mixed head stamp .223 or
.308, I can tell when I size the brass and when I seat the bullet which ones are Winchester without looking because of how easy the bullet seats and the brass sizes......which indicates how soft/thin the case is.

As for Winchester bullets, their bulk 147 gr fmj .308 and 55 gr .223 fmj's have the biggest weight variation and deformation of any i have used.

It kind of saddens me that such a historic name in firearms has sacrificed so much quality.
 
It kind of saddens me that such a historic name in firearms has sacrificed so much quality.

The hardware business put an end to Winchester; Winchester went out of business in 1929/30. I do not believe I am going to be hurt by all the problems Wincester has with their brass. I do not have any new stuff.

And then there are their rifles, I sent one back; it had the ugliest chamber I have ever seen, their help desk was useless. I had to talk real slow to them; I said I want a chamber that will match my dies or I want Winchester dies to match their chamber.

Start over: I knew I was not dealing with Winchester, Winchester went out of business in 1929/30.

F. Guffey
 
When I compare Win primers side by side with a CCI equivalent, i'm observing the Win primers as being a tad looser in fit. I also definitely have the opinion that the Win primer cups are of softer metal. They always go bang but if I have some stubborn brass with a tight primer cup bore the Win primers easily can become deformed from excessive force. This is a main reason I always add a light chamfer to my brass primer pockets.
 
No problem with Winchester Primers, but their 158gr JHP .357 bullets have problems. First the lead on one side of the bullet sticks up on some, second the crimp cannelure is all over the place.
Poor quality control.
 
I bought 2000 small and 3000 large pistol primers this year, small not so bad but the large are extremely hard to seat. Never again.
Years ago I had this kind of problem with CCI pistol primers. I'll stock up on Federal primers.
 
OK , not sure if it's my hand primer or the primers but I might not be using Winchester primers much longer . I loaded up 100 cases yesterday and had 12 primers go in sideways or up side down

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I'm using a hand primer and some are very hard to prime so I can't tell the difference from hard seat or a primer going in side ways . The sad thing is these are Win primers going in Win cases . They should fit like a glove . Some are SO HARD to prime I'm crushing/flatting them when I seat them in order to get them at least flush with the head . Below are two cases both are primed .005 below flush

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Those were all 45 cases but I seated 100 9mm the other day using Fed primers and my priming tool worked great . It also works fine when loading 308 cases which uses all the same parts so I think it's more the primers then the tool .

Because of this I just ordered 5k each of CCI small and large pistol primers . I'll update when I use them if there is a difference .
 
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Dear Metalgood,

If your primers are seating sideways or jump upside down and get crushed if you seat them like that it is most likely your priming tools. It's not the primers fault.
I had that happen as well. While I use the Lyman T Mag 2 Turret press priming arm what came with the press I never had an single issue.

Once I tried out my new Lee ram prime system allways each primer jumps and shifts sideways and if you seat 'em like that they get crushed an =d do not fire. Seems the Lee ram prime system does not fit well the Lyman Turret press and so the primer arm spring gets caught and makes jump the primer.

It's not the primer. Its your priming hardware.
 
Dear Metalgood,

If your primers are seating sideways or jump upside down and get crushed if you seat them like that it is most likely your priming tools.

I always thought it was the tool ( Hornady from the kit ) and never even considered it was the primers until this thread . I loaded for years rifle using that very priming tool with no issues with both large and small primers . Two years ago I started loading pistol and it's been all down hill when ever priming pistol cases . Thing is I've only used Win primers for pistol until just recently . The Fed primers seem slick as snot and don't flip over or sideways . To be fare I've not used nearly as many Fed primers as I have Winchester .

We will see soon enough if it's the primers or not . I now have my new CCI primers and will likely load some in the next few days .

I'm willing to try a new priming tool . The only reason I haven't is I'm not sure which one to get .
 
No problems here. Still shooting my stainless cup (yellow/white packaging) Winchesters I bought over 30 years ago from Dexter Automotive aka Powder Valley.
Nickel plated...not "stainless" steel.
 
UPDATE

I just seated 50 of the new CCI primers and I can say with out a doubt it's the
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TOOL , I seated 17 and of the 17 , 4 flipped upside down :rolleyes: My primer tool came with two trays . One if you have RCBS shell holders and one that only uses the Hornady shell holders . I have always used the RCBS shell holders with the primer so I've always used the RCBS tray .

I switched to the Hornady tray and shell holder and seated the remaining 33 with out issue . I will say this though . None of the CCI primers seated as hard as the Winchester's do . They were firm but did not take all my hand strength as a lot of the Win do .
 
I just seated 50 of the new CCI primers and I can say with out a doubt it's the
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TOOL , I seated 17 and of the 17 , 4 flipped upside down :rolleyes: My primer tool came with two trays . One if you have RCBS shell holders and one that only uses the Hornady shell holders . I have always used the RCBS shell holders with the primer so I've always used the RCBS tray .

I switched to the Hornady tray and shell holder and seated the remaining 33 with out issue . I will say this though . None of the CCI primers seated as hard as the Winchester's do . They were firm but did not take all my hand strength as a lot of the Win do .
Yikes. Was that the first time you used that hand primer?


My Lee hand primer (square tray that everyone hates) has been flawless for thousands of rounds. Never had a flipped primer.

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