Any Good Come Back Arguments when People Say You're Paranoid if you Carry Concealed?
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Food for thought for a naive co-worker...
If he were in a convenience store that was being robbed with his kid held at unpoint, he knew another customer had a gun, stood there and watched and did nothing, he'd flip that nothing was being done to stop it. Or how about if he came accross a woman being raped, he'd walk by like he didn't see anything and risk the purportrator killing the victim before the cops arrived? But let me guess, this person at work has the attitude "it's not me so what do I care?" What happened to respect for human life? "Criminals don't fear victims without guns." If my friend and I are walking down the street in a state with an open carry law and and one of us is carrying with people on the other side of the street who are not, who's he going to go after? And if he knows there is someone in sight with a gun is he even going to go after the other people? Chances are, probably not. He'll go find someone to hit up somewhere else. It's been proven (and it only makes sense) that cities where a majority of people carry, crime rate goes down.
"Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, D.C. homicide rate rose 200% while U.S. crime rose 12%."
"In 1999 alone, only 1 more accidental death occourred (probably due to parental neglegance) BUT there were 316 LESS murders, 939 LESS rapes, and 14,702 LESS aggrivated assaults."
"In FL 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued between 1987 and 1994. Only 18 crimes were committed by licensee with a firearm." (Courtesy: http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm) Also please reference http://www.gunowners.org/fs9901.htm for more statistics. I love statistics because (especially in the gun world) proves who the fools really are.
If he were in a convenience store that was being robbed with his kid held at unpoint, he knew another customer had a gun, stood there and watched and did nothing, he'd flip that nothing was being done to stop it. Or how about if he came accross a woman being raped, he'd walk by like he didn't see anything and risk the purportrator killing the victim before the cops arrived? But let me guess, this person at work has the attitude "it's not me so what do I care?" What happened to respect for human life? "Criminals don't fear victims without guns." If my friend and I are walking down the street in a state with an open carry law and and one of us is carrying with people on the other side of the street who are not, who's he going to go after? And if he knows there is someone in sight with a gun is he even going to go after the other people? Chances are, probably not. He'll go find someone to hit up somewhere else. It's been proven (and it only makes sense) that cities where a majority of people carry, crime rate goes down.
"Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, D.C. homicide rate rose 200% while U.S. crime rose 12%."
"In 1999 alone, only 1 more accidental death occourred (probably due to parental neglegance) BUT there were 316 LESS murders, 939 LESS rapes, and 14,702 LESS aggrivated assaults."
"In FL 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued between 1987 and 1994. Only 18 crimes were committed by licensee with a firearm." (Courtesy: http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm) Also please reference http://www.gunowners.org/fs9901.htm for more statistics. I love statistics because (especially in the gun world) proves who the fools really are.
The seat belt analogy is good. An acquaintance once asked me about a pistol I kept in my vehicle. "Do you think someone's going to attack you?" and "What are you going to do if someone does, actually shoot him?"
To the first question, I answered, simply, "I don't know." To the second I answered, "Probably, but not necessarily."
Then he asked, "What if he sneaks up behind you and you don't see him coming and he hits you on the head?" A typical question, kinda like some people ask about hunting, "Are you going to go out and sneak up on a deer today?" I answered, "My situation, my awareness. There aren't any guarantees in life, but there are victims and there are goblins."
I don't think he understood. I don't really think he wanted to understand. Most of these questions from these people aren't to really learn anything. They are to show you how wrong you are. But then, every situation like this is an opportunity.
I've also used the property insurance example ... auto or house. Consider for argument's sake that it isn't required by law. Would you buy it? Why? 'Think your house is going to burn down? 'Think someone is going to run into you on the way to work? Silly person.
To the first question, I answered, simply, "I don't know." To the second I answered, "Probably, but not necessarily."
Then he asked, "What if he sneaks up behind you and you don't see him coming and he hits you on the head?" A typical question, kinda like some people ask about hunting, "Are you going to go out and sneak up on a deer today?" I answered, "My situation, my awareness. There aren't any guarantees in life, but there are victims and there are goblins."
I don't think he understood. I don't really think he wanted to understand. Most of these questions from these people aren't to really learn anything. They are to show you how wrong you are. But then, every situation like this is an opportunity.
I've also used the property insurance example ... auto or house. Consider for argument's sake that it isn't required by law. Would you buy it? Why? 'Think your house is going to burn down? 'Think someone is going to run into you on the way to work? Silly person.
Obsidean Prime
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1982,Kennesaw GA ,a suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.[Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988):15. ]
In 1991 the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 10 years earlier, before the law was passed.[Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March -- October.) ]
3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun.
74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."."[ U.S., Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, "The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons," Research Report (July 1985): 27. ]
Bottom line,it aint paranoid if they are clearly out to get you.i dont see them leaving anyone off their list except gun owners.
In 1991 the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 10 years earlier, before the law was passed.[Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March -- October.) ]
3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun.
74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."."[ U.S., Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, "The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons," Research Report (July 1985): 27. ]
Bottom line,it aint paranoid if they are clearly out to get you.i dont see them leaving anyone off their list except gun owners.
Outside of my immediate family, there are not more than two or three people
who know that I carry a concealed pistol. And the few who do are trusted
friends who wouldn't question my judgement.
As far as criticism about my carrying a weapon, when they have been where
I have been, seen what I have seen, and done what I have done, then they
may have a right to criticize. Unless and until then, they may shut the hell up.
Walter
who know that I carry a concealed pistol. And the few who do are trusted
friends who wouldn't question my judgement.
As far as criticism about my carrying a weapon, when they have been where
I have been, seen what I have seen, and done what I have done, then they
may have a right to criticize. Unless and until then, they may shut the hell up.
Walter
nonquixote
New member
This doesn't come up very often, since concealed is concealed, but I decided that my response to this sort of question would be "I sincerely hope that you never have to be thankful that I am armed."
Nonq
Nonq
Ask him the following
(Sorry, i did not read the previous posts- so apologies if this is already mentioned.)
Ask him if
1. his house has ever burned down?
2. he has ever had a life threatening or lenghty illness?
(dont ask if he has!)
or anything else he is 'paranoid' enough about to have insurance to protect against.
Never claim the gun is a weapon. It is a tool and like any other insurance, it is best to have it and never need it than the other way around!
C-
(Sorry, i did not read the previous posts- so apologies if this is already mentioned.)
Ask him if
1. his house has ever burned down?
2. he has ever had a life threatening or lenghty illness?
(dont ask if he has!)
or anything else he is 'paranoid' enough about to have insurance to protect against.
Never claim the gun is a weapon. It is a tool and like any other insurance, it is best to have it and never need it than the other way around!
C-
Vitesse:
As long as your friend feels comfortable tossing around psychiatriac/psychological terminology you may point out to him that his behavior seems obsessive. Then quote the definition which is:
An unpleasant or nonsensical thought which intrudes into a person's mind, despite a degree of resistance by the person who recognises the thought as pointless or senseless, but nevertheless a product of their own mind. Obsessions may be accompanied by compulsive behaviours which serve to reduce the associated anxiety
Deathrow
As long as your friend feels comfortable tossing around psychiatriac/psychological terminology you may point out to him that his behavior seems obsessive. Then quote the definition which is:
An unpleasant or nonsensical thought which intrudes into a person's mind, despite a degree of resistance by the person who recognises the thought as pointless or senseless, but nevertheless a product of their own mind. Obsessions may be accompanied by compulsive behaviours which serve to reduce the associated anxiety
Deathrow
FirstFreedom
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And if all else fails
"Up yours" or even "Your mama" may be a last resort.
"Up yours" or even "Your mama" may be a last resort.