Any cz clone experts out there..

Ive got 2 Tanfoglio's ( EAA Witness Clones ) the first one I bought 10 years back was very reliable 25 yard gun. These things don't shoot well outside of 25 as the lockup on them is sloppy, they both seemed to lose their accuracy after 2000 rounds and I rarely use them now.

The design is brilliant and far superior to a 1911 and very easy to strip down and modify, both mine have Hennings Flat Triggers in them.

I would just buy a CZ 75B and be done with it, slot a bull barrel into it and you can get very tight groups out to 50 yards with them consistently.
 
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I Sincerly considered a used 75b but with my budget the Sar b6 is just fine. I seldom shoot pass 25 yds with a pistol mainly 10 &15 yd and like I mentioned this is strictly a range gun. For self defense or critical duty My Glock 17, SR1911 or others are always within reach. The reason for two 9m pistols the wife keeps the Glock at home when I go to the range, being shes already proficient at dispatching Zombies with its lite recoil and overall weight. And I get to take a full size 9mm to the range. Im a fan of the 9mils cost and performance what can I say.
 
Seems GYVEL makes it a point to post in every thread that concerns Turkish firearms to tell us all that they're such POS. He's probably the only person on the planet that has purchased five " pos" turkish handguns in a row. I say it's bullcrap. He's got a better chance of hitting the lottery.
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You can say it's bullcrap all you want TRIPLEBIKE, but my experience with Turkish "quality" left a really bad taste. So, yeah, I am going to badmouth them all I (as in me, myself and I) can.

If you buy one that's not incorrectly assembled or isn't a big pile of hand filed parts or isn't assembled from non-spec parts or doesn't have feeding and function problems right out of the box, then I'm happy for you. But don't tell me it's bullcrap. There are plenty of other guns on the market that are far superior to Turks. OK, TRIPLEBIKE?

It might be useful if Gyvel shared more details about his experiences.
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Actually, I've made posts before about problems I've had with them.
 
GYVEL, it's clear that for some reason you have an apparent hatred for Turkish firearms. Your claim is doing a disservice to new firearm owners by trying to steer them away from some of the best made firearms on the planet & definitely one of the best values offered today. Hopefully people will do their research which will show that. Since you are one of the VERY FEW, if not the ONLY ONE who has made such a ridicules claim , I stand behind my previous post.

You must realize that your claim is so unbelievable , that maybe you should stay out of the Turkish handgun threads. That would be more beneficial to all, especially new gun owners who are looking for truthful information to help them make a purchase.

These forums are here to help fellow gun enthusiasts. Your claims are so far fetched, so far out of ordinary that you're doing a DISSERVICE to everyone.

Fortunately , I think most people will see right through your posts.
 
The EAA Witness is a great bargain of a gun. Well made for the money and acts just like my CZ.

The Pavona I bought for my gal has a great out of the box trigger compared to my CZ that took some polishing and several hundred rounds of ammo to smooth out to what I would call fantastic now.
 
Ive got 2 Tanfoglio's ( EAA Witness Clones ) the first one I bought 10 years back was very reliable 25 yard gun. These things don't shoot well outside of 25 as the lockup on them is sloppy, they both seemed to lose their accuracy after 2000 rounds and I rarely use them now.
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Odd. I have 3. One has 15,000 rounds, one has 5-6,000 and one 9-10,000 rounds.

The only inaccurate thing is related to the loose trigger nut (me ;).
 
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Seems to have gone into a question of Turkish quality, but I don't think that's the OP's intent.
My opinion here is that it really isn't worth the few dollars saved to NOT get a CZ. The CZ's are just well made and a solid company that's got a pretty good long reputation. Your pistol will last as long as you live and then some. Saving an extra couple hundred bucks is definitely worth it in this case.
I'm not trying to say that the other pistols aren't decent functional pistols. Most of them are. I've had mixed results with Turkish guns and wouldn't call them awful OR high quality. They are bargain guns. Many will tell you that the TP9 is both better and cheaper than the Glock. It definitely is cheaper. The other part might be up for debate, but I don't think so. I also like to reward the company who actually DESIGNED the pistol. So, CZ wins for me.
I'm guessing whatever you buy will be okay, but I KNOW that if it's the CZ it will be made right if it isn't exactly as it should be.

Save your pennies and cry once.
 
TRIPLEBIKE, if you are happy with your Turkish gun, then I'm happy for you.

As far as doing anyone a DISSERVICE, well, I calls 'em as I sees 'em, and every Turkish gun I purchased based on glowing reviews from various sources (American Rifleman, TFL, etc.) turned out to have problems. Thus, having given the Turks more than enough chances, I know enough now to stay away from them.

To wit:

Regent 1911: a pile of non spec parts, including a grossly out of spec disconnector, and an incredibly loose slide. I solved the problems by replacing all the crudely cast and hand filed parts with GI parts, except for the trigger. The opening for the trigger was out of spec and a mil-spec trigger wouldn't fit.

Canik CZ75 clone: TFL members praised them, so I ordered one from Bud's.
Slide in battery overhung the frame by 1/8" and sometimes the hammer would drop and sometimes it wouldn't. After examination of the internals, it was easily determined that they were grossly out of spec. It went back to Bud's. Really good QC there, almost as good as the Regent.

Two Sarsilmaz shotguns, neither of which worked out of the box; One would allow a shell halfway out of the magazine, causing a monumental jam requiring disassembly of the gun. The other had a magazine plug that would feed one round then stop since it was so tight. Again, real quality control.

MKE .380: Just a pure Jam-o-matic.

As you stated, these forums are here to help other shooters, and if I can help others by sharing my experiences with Turkish guns, then I will do so. It is not your place to criticize me or my opinions, which you call "ridiculous." I have based my opinions on my personal experiences, which I have clearly outlined above. There was much more to each of them, but I made them short in the interest of space and time.

In the future kindly refrain from denigrating my posts or opinions and DO NOT tell me to stay out of threads. And once more I will say there are much better choices to be had.

BTW: It almost sounds like you work for a Canik distributor.
 
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Ugly stories.

I would argue that the CZ-pattern gun was the only one that seems relevant to this discussion, as the focus of at least part of this discussion was Turkish-made CZ pattern guns. Since you got yours from Bud's, they made you whole. Lots of guns made in the U.S., too, and not all of them are equally reliable, durable, or well-made.

Suggesting, "buy it from Bud's if you buy a CZ-pattern gun made in Turkey" might be a helpful hint.

Given your track record, I'd recommend that you not walk under ladders, break mirrors, avoid black cats, don't try to race that train to the crossing, and don't waste your money playing the lottery. :)
 
Given your track record, I'd recommend that you not walk under ladders, break mirrors, avoid black cats, don't try to race that train to the crossing, and don't waste your money playing the lottery.
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LOL!! Very true.

I am retired now, but I was a gunsmith for almost 50 years, and I have never seen such a streak of bad luck. Other than those 5, I have always been able to steer clear of "things that don't work." which stems from working on them.:)
 
I have two EAA SarB6's.

One is a SarB6 Hawk; which is the all steel one with 4.5" barrel. The other is a SarB6P; which is polymer with a 3.8" barrel.

A couple of the differences are that the grips are replaceable on the SarB6 Hawk, but not on the SarB6P. The Hawk grips are more like the CZ75 grips; which I might try to change out. The other difference is the SarB6 Hawk has a 17 round magazine, the SarB6P has a 13 round magazine. The SarB6P is about 0.5 lbs lighter.
 
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Any luck finding replacement front or rear sights either from CZ or otherwise ? I could use a hiviz up front but so far All I have seen is stock sights for these guns.
 
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Any luck finding replacement front or rear sights either from CZ or otherwise ? I could use a hiviz up front but so far All I have seen is stock sights for these guns.
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Most of the CZ-pattern guns have different dovetail specs. And models that are new to the market often don't get after-market support until they've been around for quite a while.

If you can get someone to measure the dovetails for you -- or show you how to do it yourself -- you can go to Brownells or Midway and find sights that do exactly what you want, and typically for good prices.

You might be able to call SAR Customer Service (or the importer that supports the gun here in the US) to get the dovetail specs.
 
New sar b6p first range report

Took the 4.5" b6p to the range today ran 150rds of Winchester forged steel practice 115 g ammo and 100 rounds of steel Monarch 115 both fmj. Outa 250 rounds fired 249 ran flawless one got hung up with my finger riding the slide. A good day indeed. The grip is definately smaller than my G17 and Canik tp9sa wich fits my hands perfect. The issue with little area to grab on to the front of the slide for a press check or otherwise was quickly remedied with custom cut friction tape ala 3M safety grip. It sticks very well and offers crazy friction for easy slide grabbin ,a roll is less than 10$ last two years ymmv. Sights are nothing to write home about exept there fixed they work and at least on mine are very spot on accurate ragged holes at 7 & 10 yds. Trigger is better than I expected Until I shoot a *factory* trigger better than a Canik tp9sa thats my benchmark. Thus the Sar trigger was very similar with at least a 16th/inch more take up for reset on par with my Glock 17 so it passed the trigger test imo the trigger blade could have been a little more rounded for my taste though. Its hard to beleive these are in the Taurus, Keltec cost zone having owned both the Sar smokes um clean outa the water easy, in terms of build qaulity maybe even accuracy imo. I feel as if it carried a more "expensive" name Berreta/Sig on it ,no one would cry about paying 100-150 more dollars it feels that good to me. Im glad I got it.
 
I've had a bunch of CZ clones over the years, some of them really great, but none of them was really bad. I've had Witnesses in .45, 9mm, and .40, and they were all great, I sold them only because I needed money. I still have two Tanfoglio made "Mossad" guns, which are identical to the original witnesses, and they have been tremendous, the full sized gun has the best slide to frame fit I've ever seen, better than many $$$$ 1911's. My new SAR K2 45 has been perfect so far, with about 250 rounds through it. I have a TP9V2, and it seems to be a keeper too. A friend of mine owns almost every CZ clone ever made, including 2 of the earlier Sphinx that look pretty much like a CZ75, and I have a major case of the wants for the fullsized one. The Canik and TriStar guns are a great deal. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the clones, no matter who made it.
 
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