Antidepresants and teen violence

btmj said:
This class of drugs has done more to prevent suicide and preserve quality of life than all the talk-therapy and psychoanalysis of the past ever did. Even if there is an occasional bad side effect, the overall net positive benefit is huge.

Is it? Quality of life is difficult to measure, and suicide rates according to OECD varied widely in the period before SSRIs became popular. Why do they get credit for the suicide rate decrease in some countries since then?

page w/ link to oecd dataset w/ a bunch of excel pages, suicides are near the end: http://www.oecd.org/health/healthpoliciesanddata/oecdhealthdata2012-frequentlyrequesteddata.htm

here's an attempt to graph some of the countries:
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Just what is a gun all about? A gun is all about launching a projectile down range in a controlled manner, usually with the intended goal of hitting some sort of target

Well I certainly hope any shooter criminal or not would know that, when I mean "what a gun is all about" I am referring more to what they can be used for. A lot of people grow up with the idea that all guns are bad and all they do is cause blood in the streets. We need to teach them that in the hands of the right people they can save lives, and even be fun.

I am still relatively young at 26 and am closer to the current generation than probably most of you on here.

I am 18 :D
 
While no where a teenage girl, my wife had a GP doc that was trying to throw the whole bowl of dope soup at her one flavor of pill at a time...

After several (she wasn't clinically depressed so much as unhappy with situations in her/our life) visits i insisted on going along and much to the doc's chagrin, I insisted on sitting in with her as she had a hard time bucking authority unlike myself...

I gave the doc the 3rd degree of interrogation and questioned their expertise... As we left i informed this "professional" that they were practicing in a medical field they had no qualifications for and therefore was a true blue quack...

She was glad i did and decided to find a doctor in the correct field while the former refused to see her again;)

Brent
 
Well I certainly hope any shooter criminal or not would know that, when I mean "what a gun is all about" I am referring more to what they can be used for. A lot of people grow up with the idea that all guns are bad and all they do is cause blood in the streets. We need to teach them that in the hands of the right people they can save lives, and even be fun.

I am sure many do or did think guns were fun and knew guns could save lives. After all, there have been numerous killers who were military trained and several who enjoyed recreational shooting. Heck Klebold and Harris enjoyed going out an plinking.

Just because they know information does not mean that they assign the same values to the information.
 
I appreciate that the right drug taken correctly for the appropriate condition will affect someone's outlook and reduce suicidal tendencies. I will question an absolute guarantee of saved lives - simply because there is no way to quantify it.

Show us the empirical math - non users dying by their own hand, compared to another group of identically diagnosed people happily living out their life. It's going to be difficult, those studies are long term, the drugs haven't been, and it's difficult to compare two separate groups and identify the differences while claiming they are otherwise the same.

I do find it interesting that some who do take medications become highly dependent on them, and will defend the drug vigorously. Then again, there are those who take a drug and regardless of the seriously negative side affects, continue to do so. The use of statins comes to mind - something I refuse to take. That is itself an example of how drugs can work well, or horribly wrong.

Goes to mood altering prescriptions - it doesn't help to hear a voiceover warning about suicidal thoughts when the whole point was to stop the spiral. I've known Viet Vets who were prescribed drugs, and went to their funerals. I for one don't accept a blanket OK for the lot of them. It doesn't help to have lived in a time when one mass shooter after another was reputed to be taking a drug, but the MSM was publicizing it as a gift from the heavens, and even the focus of one's cover story. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I DO understand MONEY.

It's all about the money, just follow it, and you will get answers.
 
LOL, I have kids. It is amazing what sorts of values don't implant directly, immediately, or completely in a timely manner. Looking back, it is amazing what ones I didn't come to more fully incorporate until being much older in life and realizing the wisdom or necessity behind them.
 
Goes to mood altering prescriptions - it doesn't help to hear a voiceover warning about suicidal thoughts when the whole point was to stop the spiral. I've known Viet Vets who were prescribed drugs, and went to their funerals. I for one don't accept a blanket OK for the lot of them. It doesn't help to have lived in a time when one mass shooter after another was reputed to be taking a drug, but the MSM was publicizing it as a gift from the heavens, and even the focus of one's cover story. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I DO understand MONEY.

It's all about the money, just follow it, and you will get answers.


I agree 100%
 
I wound up on the range with a 10 yr. old Ritalin addict several years ago. Unbeknownst to me, his parents had mentioned it to the boss, who advised them to hold off on any drugs while he was on the range. Nobody bothered to mention it to me. I've seen this before (not on the range) and should have recognized it, but did refuse to put a gun in his hand. He couldn't hold still or shut up. Something was obviously wrong. We had a serious safety discussion when I realized that everyone but me knew what the deal was.
 
I have no doubt that there are legislators who will want to deny the RTBA to anyone who seeks mental health care and even more so to someone who takes antidepressants. They will try to make it part of the background check. Mark my words.
 
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