Anticipating recoil - Advice?

8MM Mauser

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Hello again all. I got some great shooting tips about getting my mind in the game last time I was here. After putting about 100 rounds at 100 yards downrange through my rifle (8MM Mauser), and then about 20 rounds through a Glock 19 with a red dot sight.

I have come to the determination that I am anticipating recoil. I figured this out because I consistently shoot to the left of were I am aiming, and also because I started shooting surplus ammo near the end and had a couple rounds which didn't go off; when they didn't fire I noticed that I was pushing slightly down and to the left.

It isn't the worst flinch, I was still within the bullseye or the "1" or "2" rings when shooting the Glock at 25 yards. Of course with the rifle it manifested much worse, giving me consistent 3' groups in the "4" to "7" rings to the left of the bullseye.

So what I am looking for is advice. I've heard that dry firing will help; I dry fire. I have heard that shooting a low recoil .22lr will help; well, I am acquiring a Ruger Mark 2 "Target model" this Saturday.

Any other tips about what I can do to stop anticipating recoil?
 
may father said to load some dummy rounds with the live rounds and focus really well on the holding still and trigger control. He said start with about a 50/50 mix of dummy and live rounds and as you get better mix in more live rounds.

All so better to ave some one else load the mags for you so there is no temptation on remembering the order of the dummy rounds.
 
8MM Mauser:


You can start by snapping in on a bank wall without a target: your objective is to get the trigger to release without the sights moving. Most beginners pull the trigrer instead of releasing it knowing the instant that the recoil is comming and they put their shoulder into the shot. (flinch) By releasing the trigger the rifle or the pistol's shot comes as a suprise defeating the flinching. When I shot competition on several Marine Corps rifle and pistol teams, even after I held the Master's classification, this it the method that I used to train.


Semper Fi.

Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC Retired
 
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If I am getting tense at the range, I talk to myself. I remind myself that my guns are safe, I'm not going to get hurt. I remind myself that I came to have fun. And I take deep breaths and conciously relax my muscles - especially my neck and shoulders.

I also shoot one handed. I don't try to control the recoil when I do this and I take my time shooting. When I'm shooting one handed, my arm rises up and comes back down, there is no "flippy" recoil because I have a good grip, a straight arm but relaxed shoulders. So my arm just rises and falls. I find it comforting and relaxing.

I also do a lot of dry fire exercises and sometimes when I'm shooting I tell myself "This is just like dry fire... do it exactly like you practiced".
 
Most of the PIP or anticipating recoil will show LOW left on the target. If this is your case, dry fire, dry fire and dry fire some more. Use snap caps if you are concerned about gun damage. I have dry fired my Glocks thousands of times and had no problems. Check and re-check that the gun is clear, pick a spot on the wall or tape up a target and work on, as Clifford said, work on releasing the "shot" without influencing the sights. If you are left but not low, try getting a bit more trigger finger on the trigger. Too little trigger finger, especially on handguns, can cause you to torque the gun left (if you are a right hand shooter).
 
Focus on the front sight (or reticle or dot). Then concentrate on pressing the trigger straight back with only the trigger finger moving and smoothly increasing the pressure on the trigger until the gun goes off by surprise.
 
I started shooting surplus ammo near the end and had a couple rounds which didn't go off; when they didn't fire I noticed that I was pushing slightly down and to the left....I've heard that dry firing will help; I dry fire. I have heard that shooting a low recoil .22lr will help; well, I am acquiring a Ruger Mark 2 "Target model" this Saturday.

I think you are on the right track. Since you don't know for sure if the surplus ammo will go bang, it's kind of like having a friend load your gun with dummy ammo. Be sure and use good hearing protection as sound can have a big impact on flinching. It would be nice if you could borrow a .22 rifle to shoot during your practice with the Mauser. If the Mauser starts to fatigue you, switch to the .22 or take a break.
 
Deja vu said:
may father said to load some dummy rounds with the live rounds and focus really well on the holding still and trigger control. He said start with about a 50/50 mix of dummy and live rounds and as you get better mix in more live rounds.

All so better to ave some one else load the mags for you so there is no temptation on remembering the order of the dummy rounds.
it's the only way. Use a smaller caliber (.22LR of course being the best) and shoot a lot, a revolver lets you load the cylinder leaving several empty, spin the cylinder then (NOT SLAMMING IT) without looking, close the cylinder so you don't know where the empty cylinders are. You must not do this too much with a .22 but then again, you probably aren't anticipating with the .22 as much, since you know it's not that bad. The problem is in your head, you need to assume it's going to be an empty cylinder as the hammer falls even when you're shooting the bigger cartridge.

It's hard to unlearn a bad habit. This is an almost inevitable problem when you don't get enough .22 shooting. The advice I've seen telling people to start with a bigger gun to learn to shoot... makes me cry.
 
I'll definitly make dry firing a bigger priority, and acquiring a .22 rifle this next year is probably feasible.
It makes a lot of sense to me to mix in .22 shooting with the heavy caliber.
I'm getting myself pretty decent here, if I can kick this habit I might even outshoot my buddies! This sport requires a lot of patience and careful adjustment, which is hard for me; I've always been "mr adrenalin" working out and doing "big movement" type of recreation, running, lifting, football and track. Shooting is teaching me a lot!
Thanks for all the advice guys!
 
There are many techniques to avoid flinching. My favorite is to convince myself that the firearm is just an extension of my body.

With pistols I stare my eyes out at the front sight and forget that the pistol isn't actually part of my body.

With large caliber rifles I try to maintain form and squeeze the trigger having already accepted there will be a loud bang and a kick.

When I used to race motorcycles I used the same kind of NLP to some success. In blunt terms you need to fool yourself into relaxing and concentrating very hard at the same time.

IMHO there are two key components to in play. Muscle memory and psychological imprints.

Sorry to sound like a 2c Zen master. :rolleyes:
 
Focus on the target, forget the gun.
Imagine that the target is a deadly beast with only one thing on it's tiny, predator brain.
It wants stomp you into pudding, rip you limb from limb, and to eat you.
And you need to put 'em where it counts.
No kidding, this really works.
 
Like CompGlock said, I fixed the same problem with lots of dry firing. No matter which gun I shot, LCp, several Glocks, Sigs, S&w revolvers, etc, I always was shooting low left of target. I started doing lots of dryfiring and trying to correct my flinch.That and shooting about 25k rounds in two years through those guns, lol. Learning multiple triggers that break at different points, have different amounts of travel, and trigger weights, seemed to help me as well. I guess not everyone can shoot a bunch of different guns, so if thats not an option, dry fire practice helps alot. I even do a few dry fires when at the range when Im first starting, and will do a few more if Im not shooting like I should. Glock triggers do not break as clean as some guns, the trigger sort of ramps up just before breaking, and I think pushing past that point causes alot of people to get that low left result. Try to stick to one grip that works for you, keep it the same, and practice.
 
Focus on the target, forget the gun.
Imagine that the target is a deadly beast with only one thing on it's tiny, predator brain.
It wants stomp you into pudding, rip you limb from limb, and to eat you.
And you need to put 'em where it counts.
No kidding, this really works.

Actually this isn't completely a joke. Under the crushing stress of a face to face gunfight situation, you won't be aware of the trigger pull or anything else.
 
A trick I learned in a class that worked really well for me was saying out loud "front sight press" until the gun went off. After doing that for a while I stopped anticipating the recoil. You may feel a little silly at public range but you should give it a try.
 
Shadi Khalil said:
A trick I learned in a class that worked really well for me was saying out loud "front sight press" until the gun went off. ...
You might find that you don't have to actually say it out loud. Try just saying it to yourself. But it can be effective, and it has helped students in our classes.
 
I have come to the determination that I am anticipating recoil.

I have the same issue. Especially with large caliber centerfire rifle cartridges. I'll echo the resounding advice that dry fire practice is very good for you.
The closest I ever got to getting rid of the flinch was when I shot every weekend, twice a weekend this past summer. I was dry-firing a lot in between, and by the time I went to shoot, it was indeed- muscle memory.
 
You keep practicing and with alot of helpful advice you're recieving you'll get there. And when shooting your rifle, don't heat it up too much. It can actually be right on and everything you're doing is correct but after it gets hot the barrel will act as though it's a wet noodle (the hormonics change) and you pattern will then go out the window until it cools down again.
 
Your pushing forward with your shoulder while you pull the trigger. a lot of people does this something you have to work out your self. Good luck, old habits are hard to break.
 
"I have the same issue. Especially with large caliber centerfire rifle cartridges. I'll echo the resounding advice that dry fire practice is very good for you.
The closest I ever got to getting rid of the flinch was when I shot every weekend, twice a weekend this past summer. I was dry-firing a lot in between, and by the time I went to shoot, it was indeed- muscle memory. "

Wow. I certainly don't have the time or disposable income to practice twice every weekend! (I'm a full-time student, I work full-time, and I have a 6 mo old.) I try and make sure I get some dry fire in at least once a week. I will definitely make that an even higher priority, plus I am gonna add a .22 rifle into the mix as well, as soon as I can afford it, and mix that into my shooting.

I used to do competitive powerlifting, where very small changes in form can ruin your score (like lifting your toes when bench pressing, you don't have that lift added to your total, even if you put it up) so I'm pretty good at readjusting small things like that. Of course I lift weights 3 times a week, and it costs me nothing, so it's easier to practice adjustments.

"Your pushing forward with your shoulder while you pull the trigger. a lot of people does this something you have to work out your self. Good luck, old habits are hard to break. "

That is very helpful advice, because it is specific, I will watch for it next time I shoot and while dry firing, and try and mentally readjust.

"You keep practicing and with alot of helpful advice you're recieving you'll get there. And when shooting your rifle, don't heat it up too much. It can actually be right on and everything you're doing is correct but after it gets hot the barrel will act as though it's a wet noodle (the hormonics change) and you pattern will then go out the window until it cools down again. "

Also great advice, I usually try and shoot a group of 5, or two groups of 5 on two targets, and then walk the 100 yards, leaving the rifle on the table with the bolt open. Ironically, as the barrel of my rifle heats up I think it makes my shots go left even more, I think that because the first couple times I was out I shot about 20 rounds with the gun on a rest (I was out of the equation) and nearer to the end my shots were more to the left. Of course I am just speculating.

"A trick I learned in a class that worked really well for me was saying out loud "front sight press" until the gun went off. After doing that for a while I stopped anticipating the recoil. You may feel a little silly at public range but you should give it a try. "

I'm not sure what you mean by "Front sight press." Sorry for my ignorance.

"Focus on the target, forget the gun.
Imagine that the target is a deadly beast with only one thing on it's tiny, predator brain.
It wants stomp you into pudding, rip you limb from limb, and to eat you.
And you need to put 'em where it counts.
No kidding, this really works. "

Actually I often do this, but then I fall into my own mental trap of "acceptable accuracy." By which I mean, my shots aren't perfect or exactly what I want them to be, but they are well within the are that would incapacitate an unfriendly beast. I actually think that this is part of my problem, subconciously, I know that I want a higher level of accuracy mostly just for the satisfaction of it. However, I suppose visualizing the bullseye as say... a bear's eye may be helpful. Especially if I get that .22! I can imagine I'm having to defend myself from a bear with it! Then my shots will count!

"There are many techniques to avoid flinching. My favorite is to convince myself that the firearm is just an extension of my body.

With pistols I stare my eyes out at the front sight and forget that the pistol isn't actually part of my body.

With large caliber rifles I try to maintain form and squeeze the trigger having already accepted there will be a loud bang and a kick.

When I used to race motorcycles I used the same kind of NLP to some success. In blunt terms you need to fool yourself into relaxing and concentrating very hard at the same time.

IMHO there are two key components to in play. Muscle memory and psychological imprints.

Sorry to sound like a 2c Zen master. "

Shooting is very "zen" so no need to apologize. For some reason I find this much easier to do with pistols. I don't know why but pistol shooting feels more natural to me, I have definitely done more of it over my lifetime, 8MM Mauser is a big caliber compared to 9MM pistol rounds! and it is still pretty unfamiliar to me. Shooting a big rifle with a scope is so slow and "formalized" and I think I sort of say in the back of my mind "oh well, I could hit a deer...". Pistol shooting has always felt much more natural. Of course this may simply be a function of the distances involved, or the perceived practicality my brain attaches to the activity.

In high school I used to practice Iaido, which is a Japanese sword martial art form based around drawing the sword, cutting down multiple opponents and sheathing it. I did it for discipline and fitness 2 to 3 times a week, in addition to practicing for powerlifting (what a fit lad I was!). To this day when I pick up a sword it feels very natural, the movements, though I have not practiced them in years, are still burned into my muscle memory. What this tells me is that I need more practice, which for my poor college student self means way more dry firing and the acquisition of a decent .22lr rifle in addition to the Ruger Mk II I'm getting today. One thing I like about shooting is that it really balances me out mentally, running and lifting weights is fun, but it leaves me thirsting for more...

I really do appreciate all the wonderful advice fella's. With lots of practice and lots of help maybe I can start nailing those bullseyes!
 
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