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Am I the only one that finds it ironic that the same media that is slamming Mel Gibson for his anti Semitic remarks is the same media thats howling for Israel to stop in Lebanon?

Is the media anti Semitic or just anti Israeli? Can those two things be separated?
 
The day I care one whit what the media says or does is the day you can bury me, because I'll already be dead.
 
I don't know...

I'd have to say the media in general just talks crap to incite people into fear and hate these days. As for being anti-Semetic, I doubt that, if it was it'd report more about events from the perspective of how any other opponent of Israel is being attacked by Israel and labeled a "terror attack" don't forget that nations use propaganda in order to exert control this is especially true nowadays. It's hard to discern truth from lies. I personally just stay out of it, too much of a mess and quite honestly I think after fighting for centuries people on both sides start to wear away and forget the real reason they were fighting in the first place. There is no longer any valid justification as to why fighting should continue.


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Is the media anti Semitic or just anti Israeli? Can those two things be separated?
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That they CAN be separated is demonstrated by the fact that the founding of the modern state of Israel was by no means unanimously acclaimed by Jews around the world. Some went so far as to declare the attempt to re-establish Jews in their ancient homeland a heretical usurpation of god's prerogative.

Not all Jews, in other words, were always--or are now--Zionists. 20th century, 'racial' anti-Semitism had nothing to do with modern Israel, of course; it was about the supposed plots of 'world Jewry' (see Gibson's drunken rant), and rode the coattails of a 1900-year tradition of Christian Jew-hatred.

It's an ugly and intractable situation, over there. I fear we made a terrible blunder in 1948 under the sway of an appropriate burden of guilt and an emergent American dispensationalism (that is, a form of religious fundamentalism). What we should do about it now, though, is hard to imagine. Our path of recent decades--arming Israel to the teeth in the hopes that their presence as an essentially Western colony will eventually be accepted--has not worked; that much is clear
 
Here's what I don't understand, so someone feel free to enlighten me. Gibson was lit and acted like an ass. He made a bunch of remarks some of which were clearly anti-semitic. At the time he made the remarks, the only person there was the arresting officer... maybe a couple of people at the station.

Sooooo, unless the arresting officer was a jew, why in the hell should Gibson apologize to the community at large. If anything he should give an "im sorry" to the officer who he gave such a hard time to.

Now I understand his film career is at steak, so he has a huge financial motivation not to hack everyone off, but I always get kind of miffed when I see people, who were not present to witness the incident, demanding an apology. No one has the right not to be offended, and last time I checked being a bigot, while not the greatest idea, isn't against the law.
 
What Overman said.
All beaureaucratic bull****.
What's funny is I never heard what he said,but seems the whole world did????
It sure makes good publicity for him though.

And...I always thought that what was said in a arrest was privilidged to the police and the courts. Am I wrong?
Why did this cop blab to everyone?
Maybe Mel should filea lawsiut for deflamation of character against the blabbermouth officer.
To me it makes the cop look like he's grandstanding.
I mean really Mel Gibson is just a civilian arrested for DUI. Let him pay his fine and go quietly.
Gosh, I was stopped many years ago and cussed out a cop, but it didn't make world news????
AHHHHHHH!!! It's the money!!??
I think it's crap.
 
Are you guys telling me that the media is anything but fair and ballanced?:eek:

The media is going after Mel because he made a wildly popular Christian movie. That violates separation of church and cinema!
 
I think Gibson was just being stupid. He was drunk. Drunks can be a damn nuisance. Arresting them is a real pain in the arse - they can spew in the car too.
As to Israel and Lebanon - well what can anyone do? Israel has a history of persecution for many years, only the last 50 or so there. Given the last half century or so of their history who could possibly think they are going to roll over for any attacker. They just won't do it, and I don't blame them. Of course Hizbollah is stupid and fanatical, and doesn't care about the human and material costs of their murderous bombings and rocket attacks. The Jews, on the other hand, are quite rational. Destroy their infrastructure and they will be less able to cause strife. It is highly unlikely that the extremists will ever stop wanting to cause trouble, it is in their nature. The only solution is to make it so they can't. Like all criminals, they only do what they can. What they can't- they don't. Like I learned years ago - you can't vandalise a 'phone booth when it isn't there anymore.
 
The media focused more on what he said then what he did,(endangering people by driving drunk.)I find it interesting that modern society is more concerned with words then deeds.
 
Experiment: Read the actual transcript of the comments made.
Replace then name Mel Gibson with oh let's say Michael Moore
Replace the word "Jews" with the word "Americans"
How many of us would be pissed? I know I would be.

Freedom of speech works both ways. You just have to deal with the consequences of what you say.
 
Hollywood has been on his case for years and he just gave them more ammo.

www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2000/col20000622.asp

Mel Gibson, Lightning Rod
by L. Brent Bozell III
June 22, 2000

"...in one scene in this Revolutionary War movie Gibson’s character hands rifles to his sons. At a “Patriot” screening in Los Angeles, “a loud ‘gasp’ was heard…as the camera zoomed in for a closeup of the kids,"

"For his part, Gibson, again, isn’t backing down, stating that he and his children have gone to shooting ranges together, and that he sees nothing wrong with their using weapons for self-defense."
 
The media is going after Mel because he made a wildly popular Christian movie.
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Mel's movie played upon and reinforced centuries of deadly (to Jews) Jewish stereotypes, and chose to depict one of the more anti-Jewish possible readings of the story it told. This raised a lot of concern and suspicion among the Jewish community and the academic community and every other community that cares about such things; some of them came right out and said it was an anti-semitic telling of the story.

For Mel to spout what sounds like a digest of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in an unguarded moment of drukenness confirms the suspicions about his own feelings, and ought to give fans of the Passion of the Christ pause to consider that the portrayal of the Jews they have seen was produced by someone with a very distorted, angry and irrational view on the subject.
 
Having not seen the movie(and having no intentions of seeing it) I was under the impression it actually did portray a fairly accurate telling of the story. The Jewish people did refuse Christ, and demanded his death. They don't have to like that now, but it remains true. If I'm wrong about the flick then enlighten me. Meanwhile. I am still wondering how any of this info made it public, and are we justifying that because the cop in question was Jewish?
 
What did he say?

Has anyone seen what the actor mentioned? Specific?

I see he is saying I am sorry, but what did he say?

He is from Australia maybe they can talk like that there?

Freedom of speech is being denied, him.

Freedom of speech is a two edged sword, it cuts both ways.

He is a sad sack anyway, Pompus to say the least, similar to others who feel they have rights.
In the land of freedom, it is full of loopholes.
Like, love thy neighbor. Is that a commandment?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten01.htm#0B0

Hollywood is owned by that group, so where will he work? Heck they are the foundation of Christianity.

They must be right, no left, ya left. As in very liberal, as in take away your rights.
Make more laws against gun owner's and people who have a like for that.
To protect ones self is criminal, Israel are you listening?

Again what did he say.

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For Mel to spout what sounds like a digest of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in an unguarded moment of drukenness confirms the suspicions about his own feelings, and ought to give fans of the Passion of the Christ pause to consider that the portrayal of the Jews they have seen was produced by someone with a very distorted, angry and irrational view on the subject.
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Exactly. Add into this that Gibson has been activily promoting the church he belongs to and attempting to establish it in new areas (PA) and his ravings are more ominus. He has also given interviews where he questioned the numbers killed in the Holocaust, that is in on www.Foxnews.com today.

In Vino Veritas - In Wine Truth. During interviews he may say how he is not an anti-semite but when his gaurd was let down through booze it all came spilling out. His father is one for certain. Perhaps Gibson was in his youth and has tried to keep it bottled up knowing it was wrong but let it spill out when drunk, I don't know. The guy though has a lot of crow to eat and needs to do some major works of restitution. He could have been caught doing heroin with a 15 year old prostitute and be in less trouble career wise than he is now.

As far as it being released... it is public record. Ever wonder about the drunks you see on COPS raving incoherently? His arrest and his statements in that report are all public record. He knows this by know, frmo his own lawyers, and has wisely chosen not to even pursue that path.

Those who would apologize for him becasue of pro 2A and Christian stances in this case are the same as those who called for the heads of all drug addicts until Rush Limbaugh was one. Call them like you see them and Mr. Gibson has an uphill climb to make to regain his standing, if he can.
 
The way I see it Mel was clearly drunk and said some stuff that he wished he hadn't. Charge him for DUI, NOT for what came out of his mouth! Last I checked your entitled to your opinions drunk or not, if the cop wants to be thin skinned and run and tattle that's his problem.
 
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