Anti-LEO NH Lawmaker ... ?

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Bud Helms

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What the heck happened here?

N.H. lawmaker advocates killing police who cross the line

By Mike Recht, Associated Press, 1/3/2001 01:36

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) A newly elected Republican state lawmaker has enraged his constituents, party leaders and police by saying he favors killing police officers when they cross the line. One police chief calls him ''a hate-mongering lunatic.''

Tom Alciere, 41, won a seat in the New Hampshire House on his fourth try after a low-key campaign last fall. It wasn't until Sunday that his constituents in Nashua learned of his anti-police views.

Alciere told the Valley News of Lebanon that he loves it when someone kills a police officer: ''It's unfortunate that cops do make it necessary (to kill them) when they're waging a war on drugs, and I view cops as enemy officers.'' He said he is ''too chicken'' to do it himself.

He acknowledges posting his views at Internet chat sites for months, including this 1999 comment: ''Nobody will ever be safe until the last cop is dead.''

State GOP Chairman Steve Duprey said Alciere should renounce his views or resign. But Alciere stood his ground.

''There's no way I'm going to resign,'' he said Tuesday.

Alciere, a married father of one who inspects circuit boards at a factory, said he was arrested for ''petty stuff'' years ago but never went to jail and has no criminal record. He said his anti-police comments are the ''harmless rantings of a private citizen'' that won't influence his legislative work.

New Hampshire has no procedure for recalling state representatives, and legislators said they expect Alciere to serve.

''As despicable as the ideas are, the complaints against him are for his ideas,'' said Peter Burling, the House Democratic leader.

With 400 members, the New Hampshire House is the largest state legislative body in the country and many campaigns don't get much media attention. Alciere admits he didn't advertise his views during his campaign, but denies misleading anyone.

''Nobody asked,'' he said. ''For state representative, you don't have to tell where you stand on the issues.''

He said when police cross the line, citizens have the right to use force to defend themselves: ''Whatever is necessary is necessary. It sounds kind of harsh.''

He is taking plenty of heat. Newmarket police Chief Rodney Collins called Alciere ''a hate-mongering lunatic,'' and Gov. Jeanne Shaheen is among state leaders to denounce him.

Nashua Deputy Police Chief Timothy Hefferan said supervisors warn officers to be careful if they get a call to Alciere's apartment building. He said police usually stay out of politics, but ''I think we'll have to revisit that policy just to enlighten people.''

Alciere's views got some publicity when he wrote letters to newspapers.

In 1997, three days after Carl Drega killed two state troopers, a part-time judge and a newspaper editor in Colebrook, Alciere sent a letter saying that except for the editor, Drega was ''an otherwise innocent cop-killer taking out enemy officers in battle.''

The letter was never published, but became part of the investigation.

A short time later, Epsom police officer Jeremy Charron was murdered. Alciere defended Charron's killer, Gordon Perry, because he said Charron had no right to ask Perry and a companion for identification while they slept in their car.

Alciere said his anger stems from reading and watching television about police misconduct, and his belief that many of the laws the police enforce are unjust.

But during his campaign, he promised simply to oppose any bills that infringe on freedom, and defeated a Democratic incumbent by 55 votes. In his previous runs for the seat, Alciere ran twice as a Libertarian and once as a Democrat.

After the election, Alciere went online and said he was elected by a ''bunch of fat, stupid, ugly old ladies that watch soap operas, play bingo, read tabloids and don't know the metric system.''

''The same lamebrains who vote for politicians who are WRONG finally voted for one who is RIGHT,'' he wrote.
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heard him interviewed on talk radio monday...

He didn't sound this unwrapped, as he does in this article.

You know, on the radio he wasn't saying much more than what i've read here (and other shooting forums). Basically, he is refering to the violations of the Constitution which have resulted from the war on drugs. He was talking about the need for citizens to defend themselves from no-knocks, for example.

YMMV.
 
He does come off as being rather extreme, but it appears that he is on our side.

Still, very odd comments to be coming from a public figure....
 
He said police usually stay out of politics,
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Nonsense. The police chiefs are typically political appointees, the sheriff is elected and both usually have their own lobbyists, if they don't lobby themselves.

Alciere ran twice as a Libertarian, once as as Democrat, and this time as a Republican.

Don't be surprised to learn that he was taken out of context.

Today's http://www.keepandbeararms.com has an article addressing this case.

Rick
 
Anti Cop? Yes totally ti would seem. :( (edited due to LawDog's Pointing out details in the article I missed)


If a cop commits an act of assault, or other crimes they should be dealt with more harshly than the average citzen I think. They are suppose to be respectable persons, engaged in upholding the law, not breaking it!

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''Nobody will ever be safe until the last cop is dead.''
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This is certain regards? Sounds like a pretty general statement to me.

Alciere told the Valley News of Lebanon that he loves it when someone kills a police officer
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Just Anti-Bad-Cop, right?

LawDog
 
Alciere said his anger stems from reading and watching television about police misconduct, and his belief that many of the laws the police enforce are unjust.
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So for these reasons he is happy when a police officer gets killed???

I would say that his belief system is bankrupt and that he should stop watching so much TV.

I don't know whether to :barf: or get :mad:.
 
Put the idiot in a uniform and fulfill his wish. Just goes to show how little people look at those who are running for elective office. Electing someone who changed parties this many times doesn't believe in anything but the fact if they try enough times they will eventually snow enough people to succeed. Cold tar and sharp feathers.
 
KeepAndBearArms.com's article is simply a link to MSNBC's posting of the same AP article quoted at the beginning of this thread. Nothing new.

Knowing the liberal media's slant of such things, I'm rather skeptical that they've covered these few soundbites in a fair manner--that is, in context.

However, these few soundbites are really awful. Would like another news source on this.

--Denise

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Train your children right: homeschool!!
 
I see where he is coming from. I would try to kill anyone coming through my door at night. If it was a cop serving a no-knock at the wrong address (and he was the one who set-up the raid) and I lived, I would not shed a tear. Cop's lives are no more valuble than mine, my wife's, yours or the law-abiding guy down the street. When one does something that would warrant being shot if he were not a cop, then he deserves it just as much (if not more). Cops should be held to a much higher standard as they as there to enforce the law, take away freedom and, if necessary, take away life.

The comment about watching TV cops hits home. I watch these clowns on TV and seeth with anger. They ham it up for the camera. Obvious abuse their powers on the poor and minorities and swagger around as if they needed a large size jock-strap. I have enourmous respect for the good cops that I know, and they are in the vast majority. However the bad ones are the ones the public remembers and they make it tough on all of the good guys out there just doing there job and working to keep the cannibles from the gate.

I hope he does not step down and serves out his term. Hopefully, over time, the knee-jerk reaction that any mention of cop killing earns will settle down and people will start listening to what he says with their ears and brains and not their stomachs and gonads.
 
I agree with sbryce. BUT, I can see a real loose cannon like this being elected. Ever heard of "I'm just going to vote for whoever runs against the incumbents."? Vote the suckers out!

It sounds like he just kept qualifying and running until it happened. I sure would like another source on this story.
 
I'm sure he's talking about "bad" police officers. Not the one's that are truly trying to defend the public from crime. I agree that if any officer, state or federal, tries to come through my door, I will react in a defensive manner. I didn't do anything wrong; except to run my mouth. The feds have already said that they are "above the law" when it comes to "obeying orders". Many police have the same mindset. Not all. I know that LawDog and others are active duty police officers, and they do their job, by the Constitution and the BoR's. You are not on the "target" list of this person. He's talking about the fbi/batf/ and military members involvement of Waco. He's talking about the involvement of those at Ruby Ridge, He's talking about those in the Elian kidnapping. I won't even get into the things that the LA police and NY police department is involved in.

USP45usp
 
Damn Lawdog, looks like I better stop readin/posting on these boards while I am doing like 2 other things at work... I dont carefully read anything on here when I am doning that :(
 
I've recently seen this article passed around by LEO's, and used to blast Libertarians. No kidding. An attitude of 'see ... this is what libertarians are ...'. Interesting how they didn't notice he was elected as a Republican, and also ran once before as a Democrat ...

If this guy really said these things, then he is an a$$hole and an idiot, IMHO. But, we do know how the press can get carried away with themselves.

OTOH, if he's upset with bad cops, and really said that honest citizens have a right to defend themselves against dishonest and murderous LEO's, then that is a different story.

Right now, my guess would be that this guy is simply a jerk, and you know what? With 281mm people in the U.S., we have a few ... and, some get elected. Sometimes I think quite a few jerks get elected. ;)

Regards from AZ
 
Wandered over to Tom Alcieres website just now. http://tomalciere.com/

While any references to the killing of cops has been removed, it's got a selection of the bills he's sponsoring. And a challenge for anyone who has a problem to do a search at the alt.law-enforcement site at deja.com to "read his rantings in context."

Goodness, how can I turn down a challenge like that from a critter?

Tom Alciere is an idiot who should have kept his mouth shut. :D It's almost too easy bagging a moron like this.

I would suggest doing a search at alt.law-enforcement at deja.com using the words "Tom Alciere" and "domestic violence".

Apparently Congresscritter Tom thinks that women need to be dragged around by the hair and whacked with a baseball bat once in a while. Shame on the distaff side of the species for forgetting their place in Alcieres' scheme of things.

By KATHRYN MARCHOCKI
Union Leader Staff
It wasn’t just freshman legislator Tom Alciere’s writings supporting the killing of police officers that first alarmed the Nashua community in the early 1990s and got him ousted from the Libertarian Party.

It also was his chilling espousal of violence against women
written in letters to the editor of a local newspaper, according to police and a party leader.

"He took a domestic violence position several years ago where he said a woman needs to be dragged by the hair and either threatened with a bat or hit with a bat once in awhile," Nashua Deputy Police Chief Timothy Hefferan said yesterday.
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My, my, my. Got punted out of the Libertarian party. What's a Patriot to do these days?

:barf: :mad:

LawDog
 
"A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man's self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force.....But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who have forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man's deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense." John Galt in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

Anyone who initiates the use of force deserves a similar response.
 
I must be missing something . He backs a guy that killed a cop that asked him for I.D. ? Must be more to the story . What is the law about I.D. when asked anyway ?
I remember reading about people arrested for being drunk and asleep in the car because they COULD HAVE woke up and driven drunk .If this was the officers direction maybe he was justified up to that point . After that ? I dunno .
 
What a twit.

I don't know how this twit got away with calling himself a libertarian. He deserves nothing but contempt and condemnation.

Since it's kind of off-topic, I'll refrain from commenting on good cops vs. bad cops, other than to say that cops who break the law or violate peoples rights deserve the exact same consideration as any other criminal. A reasonable position, I think (especally for this board!)

Later,
Chris
 
Lawdog, your slavish bias is so apparent.
For as long as you've been a member at TFL I've watched you COMPULSIVELY come to the literary aid of negligent or freedom-hating cops after they've been "taken out of context" or "unfairly slandered" by the media.

Not the case here though... Here's the whole story.. absolute gospel every last word of it. God bless the AP and their commitment to accuracy!!
Lawdog, can I use this same yardstick of truth to gauge the next anti-cop article I find in print?

(it's those damned dopers that ought to all be taken out and SHOT! How many times have I heard that one.)
 
posted by justice4all,
"Anyone who initiates the use of force deserves a similar response."

An LEO can use the force necessary to effect a lawful arrest. If you give a "similiar response" a LEO is able (by law) to one up your force plus the person would get extra charges of resisting arrest and battery on a LEO. Not a smart move for the person being arrested.

In regards to the esteemed politicians from NH, I do not know how ANYBODY can defend this A$$. Don't let your dislike of LEOs override your common sense.
 
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