Anti Guns in the UK.

Quote. Scrumbag
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Join Date: May 22, 2012
Posts: 30 Being a Brit who now lives in Switzerland and is enjoying gun ownership over here (3 handguns and counting...) and having lived under 2 very different licensing systems...

The main problem is the British Police

They have successfully lobbied the HMG (something they are not supposed to do!) to bring in tighter and tighter gun laws.

They are supposed to be competent at licensing firearms users. They aren't: The perpetrators of the 3 mass murders in Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria which prompted the 3 major recent reviews of firearms legislation all held police granted licenses. As far as I'm aware, no policeman ever faced the music

The police think they are above the law. It isn't uncommon to hear of a policeman leaving a firearm somewhere. If a civilian did that, they's be in prison. Policeman, might be reprimanded. Doubt would even lose job.

They aren't competent in handling firearms. They shoot the wrong people and in Manchester (major city) a policeman died on training because an instructor shot him with what he thought were blanks (playing a prank, no less).

The British Police are a joke that isn't funny. Morally, ethically and factually corrupt.

I'm afraid when it comes to firearms, whole licensing and armed response teams have to be fired.

And the reason I will happily say this: I no longer depend on them for a certificate. And yes, I do mean that if a shooter were to criticise the police, he'd have his license removed and his guns confiscated, never to be returned.



ATB from a very riled Scrummy.


You should have moved here you can have handguns you can criticize the police all you want and still have firearms. Their are convicted murderers here running about with legally owned firearms.
 
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Manta,

Geneva or Belfast: Can't understand the locals in either so I reckon I'll stick with Geneva!

ATB,

Scrummy
 
Quote. Manta,

Geneva or Belfast: Can't understand the locals in either so I reckon I'll stick with Geneva!

ATB,

Scrummy

Fair point. :)
 
Have you a problem with Brits
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I have a problem with British people, companies and politicians interjecting their anti-gun policies into our Constitutionally given rights. I also have a problem with British owned companies, e.g. Smith and Wesson when owned by the Brits, using their muscle to try to push through some anti-2nd Amendment laws in the US.

Recent example from the Huffington Post: "British commentators about how remarkably easy it is for crazy Americans to get hold of guns."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-miles/self-preservation-or-principles_b_1724351.html

So, I think I have valid reasons for saying what I said about the Brits. They haven't ceased trying to oppress American gun ownership - not for 200+ years.
 
So, I think I have valid reasons for saying what I said about the Brits. They haven't ceased trying to oppress American gun ownership - not for 200+ years.
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That's just a bit over the top. I'm married to a Brit, go to the UK quite a lot, and nobody I know holds any grudges against us "colonials" and could care less about our constitution and gun ownership. They have enough to worry about as it is, let alone trying to mess with our constitution and culture. The huffington post is media ! I take that with a grain of salt, as I do our own media. We have just as many home grown anti gun articles in our own newspapers.
 
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Skans
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So, I think I have valid reasons for saying what I said about the Brits. They haven't ceased trying to oppress American gun ownership - not for 200+ years.



Just as you say you have no interest in UK gun laws most Brits couldn't give a toss what the gun laws are in america. I think you have a percussion complex .

PS. Them damn Brits are still out to get us 200 years later. :rolleyes:
 
manta49, you and I are on the same side - we both own guns and like our guns. I'm not trying to pick an internet fight with you. I support your right to own and shoot whatever you want even in Ireland. I understand that you support my gun rights as well. We disagree on how the English perceive American gun owners and gun laws. I am sensitive to this because we Americans currently have a President who would very much like us to become more like Europe and less like America, particularly when it comes to our ownership and use of firearms.
 
Quote. manta49, you and I are on the same side - we both own guns and like our guns. I'm not trying to pick an internet fight with you. I support your right to own and shoot whatever you want even in Ireland. I understand that you support my gun rights as well. We disagree on how the English perceive American gun owners and gun laws. I am sensitive to this because we Americans currently have a President who would very much like us to become more like Europe and less like America, particularly when it comes to our ownership and use of firearms.

A lot of people in the UK haven't a clue what the gun laws in different states in America.
And rely on the crap they read in the papers. I wouldn't worry to much about whats in the papers here it won't affect what happens as regards the gun laws in America. At the start of this post i put in a link to facebook that has militant anti gun views on it. As facebook is worldwide i would be more concerned whats on it. Hopefully America will continue to enjoy the freedom to carry guns if they wish to do so. ATB :)
 
You know that Nazi is short for "National Socialists", right? They fought Soviet Communism but still employed socialist principles for members of their party.
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And it's the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" that doesn't make it either democratic or a republic.
The Nazis were "Fascists". As Mussolini said "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power."

Socialism at it's base means that the workers own the means of production.

Just like to point out that the Nazis never seized Krupp's, or I. G. Farbin and turned it over to the workers or nationalized it.
 
I read that in pre-gun England long bows were to be stored in the local castle and issued as needed. I also heard that Eurapeans that wanted freedom migrated to the US. Let them do their thing and I'll do mine which includes taking exchange students out blasting.
 
Gun are used, unlike any other item, to deliberately in flick pain, suffering and death upon human-kind and wild life in the pursuit of pleasure and power by those that love using them

But, isn't that what wrestling was to the original olympians?
 
Quote. I did not think the police in the UK carried firearms.

They do in this part of the UK. For good reason.
 

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The UK delights in bashing the United States over ownership of firearms yet it has the highest rate per capita (per 100k population) of violent crimes of any nation. In fact, the list goes down until we get to France THEN we find the United States listed below France.

Sure, we have a lot of crime, but we have a lot of people. Based upon the population, and comparing crime on a level playing field, the UK is far more violent than we are. THAT is gun control at work turning their citizens into helpless victims!

Here's a sample:
"It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe."

Check it out........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...73/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

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I think you have a percussion complex.

What might a percussion complex be? Being a psychiatrist, I thought I'd have heard of such a thing. LOL
 
Quote. Quincunx.

I think you have a percussion complex.

What might a percussion complex be? Being a psychiatrist, I thought I'd have heard of such a thing. LOL


Have you not its someone that likes playing drums. You don't need to be a psychiatrist to know that. :)
 
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