Anti Guns in the UK.

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This is the sort of anti-gun BS we have in the UK. Even British olympic gold medal winner is seen as a chance for them to get some anti-gun publicity instead of celebrating his achievement. PS. Don't read if you are easily irritated.


Heres the link - http://www.facebook.com/Ban.Guns.UK
 
I just read some newspaper piece on the problems of UK shooters. It was amazing how some in the UK had fits over shooting events.

Bah, can't find it in my history.
 
Well the first link still does not work, but the one you posted Glenn, was very interesting.

Williamson seems to be one of those folks that even if he did get his way and have a total prohibition, would not even acquiesce that prohibition does not work as the gun violence continued.

On the bright side, maybe the over the pond crowd will deal with the fiasco of total prohibition and show the western world that it does not work. :rolleyes:

Kudos though to the shooters over there that don't allow the government to stop them from doing a sport they love. Even if it means travelling to Switzerland.
 
This is a flavour of whats on it.


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We need to voice our concerns & get gun law's changed. Regardless of licenses and registration, Joe Public should not be allowed to keep a gun in their home !!Bite the bullet ~ ban guns!!


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This page was set up following the awful slaughter in Cumbria (2nd June 2010).


Here in the UK we do have a licensing system for firearm ownership but time and time again we see licensed gun owners abusing their license. All the biggest headline slaughters in the UK in the last 30 years have been carried out by licensed firearm holders. Domestic violence is more likely to involve a gun in a licen
sed firearms owner’s home. Suicide is a big factor too in the homes of licensed gun holder’s and it does not always involve the license holder themselves. Add to this the outrageous amount of these weapon that are stolen every year by criminals from license holders and you have to ask yourself why we allow the private ownership of guns at all.


The gun trade in the UK is heavily involved in the mindless slaughter of our wildlife too. Every year hundreds of thousands of birds are bred simple so that ‘so-called civilized human beans’ can blast them out the sky in the name of sport. Organisations like the Countryside Alliance justify the training of children in the barbaric act of shooting animals for fun and in so doing maintain the drug like enthusiasm many have for guns and what they do.


The title of this page is a little misleading. Some may take it that we advocate a total ban on all firearms. However, we know this is not a realistic goal – the armed forces & sections of the police obviously require guns. BUT - Jo Public does not. The person living next door to you could legally own dozens of guns and have ammunition for them. If Jo Public wants to shoot they should only be able to do so at authorised Police run shooting clubs. The guns should never leave the club and security should be at a military level. The cost of this should obviously be met by those that wish to use the facilities.
For the life of me I fail to understand why we celebrate shooting as an Olympic event. To glorify guns in the wake the slaughter of innocent human beings and the mindless killing of our wild life just for the sake of fun is objectionable if
not totally irresponsible. On BBC One this morning I hear shooting guns being advocated as a commendable pass time for children – how abhorrent is that?

Don’t get me wrong for the lad that won Gold yesterday I am pleased. BUT guns were designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill – how can we celebrate that in this way? The suggestion that you can have a palatable sport involving guns is short-sighted and worrying.

Gun are used, unlike any other item, to deliberately in flick pain, suffering and death upon human-kind and wild life in the pursuit of pleasure and power by those that love using them (we have adopted the phrase ‘gun junkies’ on this page). We choose ‘gun junkies’ because when you enter into a debate with these people about their ‘hobby’ just like any other addict they grasp at any grass legitimisation for their right to shoot. They are totally blasé about mass killings at the hands of licensed gun holders and will quantify deaths on the road in relating to those killed by guns. “But I only shoot clay”…. Most clay shooters will also hunt and for the few that don’t then it’s the great majority of gun junkies that spoil it for you, you are tarred by their brush.

Shooting is a very minority activity in the UK, mainly only affordable by the very well off. This minority need greater control and should not be allowed to own and keep guns at home. If their NEED to shoot is so great then military style gun clubs should be run by the police/armed forces and paid for by the gun junkies. No guns or ammunition such ever leave these facilities. Every shot, visit and member should be recorded in triplicate and spent cartridges accounted for. No one should ever legally be allowed to keep guns at home.
 
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Interesting. Since the 1997 ban homicides in the UK skyrocketed 30-40 % increases. Meanwhile, violent crime in the US has declined even with an increase in population and an increase in firearms. UK is moving toward the socialist mentality they fought and died against in WWII. Check out the fascist propaganda prior to the war that claimed Germany as so much more advanced and civilized because they removed the firearms from the hands of the citizens. It read very much like the piece above.
 
Williamson seems to be one of those folks that even if he did get his way and have a total prohibition, would not even acquiesce that prohibition does not work as the gun violence continued.

On the bright side, maybe the over the pond crowd will deal with the fiasco of total prohibition and show the western world that it does not work.
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What do you mean it does not work? Do you see many upstanding British citizens with guns? No. Seems to be working just fine. :mad:
 
The Nazis were fascist. Not Socialist. Our allies the Soviet Union were socialists.

But yes, aspects of the UK are socialist. Less so than in the past though. Most members of NATO are socialist.
 
Interesting. Since the 1997 ban homicides in the UK skyrocketed 30-40 % increases.
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You have to understand the mindset. When gun bans are accompanied by increases in homicide then there is no correlation between the two. Of course discussions to reverse the ban are unthinkable because homicides would skyrocket . . . </sarcasm off>
 
I love my British guns...just the other day I was handling a .38 Webley and really wishing I owned one. Heck, I'm looking at my wall and there's a nice No.4 MK 2 Enfield sitting on the gun rack. (Maybe I'll take it shooting today?)

Here's a video to a BBC clip from the 60s on the Guns of James Bond...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU

All I can is: What happened? You guys used to be cool!
 
UK is moving toward the socialist mentality they fought and died against in WWII.
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Actually the Nazis were fine with ownership of firearms, by Nazis of course not Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_the_Preservation_of_Firearms_Ownership
"on January 13th, 1919, the Reichstag enacted legislation requiring surrender of all guns to the government. This law, as well as the August 7, 1920, Law on the Disarmament of the People passed in light of the Versailles Treaty, remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition (April 12, 1928)—a law which relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme."[9] Harcourt however continued: "To be sure, the Nazis were intent on killing Jewish persons and used the gun laws and regulations to further the genocide." 16 Dec 1935 the Gestapo formally ordered that no firearm permits be issued to Jews. Harcourt did argue that the firearms laws were not central to implementing the Holocaust.
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If you look through history, privately owned firearms are used more frequently to support tyranny than to fight it. From night riders and the Klan down to civilian death squads in South Africa, El Salvador, and beyond privately owned firearms help the oppressor.
In the mean time the largest revolutionary movement in history saw the Warsaw pact fall to a virtually unarmed citizenry.
 
But yes, aspects of the UK are socialist. Less so than in the past though. Most members of NATO are socialist.
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Whoa! that will be enough encyclopedia reading out of you for today, Nico!!! That reading stuff is going to get you into trouble!
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My opinion is not outside the box:
I think that the good people of Syria would have a well-weighed opinion on 2nd Amendment issues...
 
Didn't England lose the Revolutionary War? Remember, our forefathers went to war with them and killed many Brits so that we may be free and own guns in the event that England, or any other government, tried to take away our freedoms. Why do we Americans care what people in England have to say about gun ownership? Of course they don't want Americans to own the tools that gave us our freedom from England!
 
What has happened in England could also happen in America if we are not willing to protect our Constitution.
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True, it could happen anywhere. I just want to distinguish Americans from English. When the English cry about Americans having guns, or anyone having guns, what I hear is a shrill, envious and bitter people who can't have guns, and therefore don't want the people of free nations to have them either.

It's like listening to poor, starving people scream and cry for laws making obesity illegal in other contries......or children complaining that they should be allowed to drink beer (and demand that the government subsidize their beer-drinking) just because their 40 year old parents can drink beer....or college freshmen girls yelling that the government should pay for their contraceptives because studying Advanced Squirrel Sociology is too demanding for them to work and pay for their own.
 
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Dangit Skans!,,,

....or college freshmen girls yelling that the government should pay for their contraceptives because studying Advanced Squirrel Sociology is too demanding for them to work and pay for their own.
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I spit coffee,,,

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Didn't England lose the Revolutionary War? Remember, our forefathers went to war with them and killed many Brits so that we may be free and own guns in the event that England, or any other government, tried to take away our freedoms. Why do we Americans care what people in England have to say about gun ownership? Of course they don't want Americans to own the tools that gave us our freedom from England.



I thought that we in N Ireland were narrow minded and the best at harking back into ancient history. But obviously i was wrong. If you want to live in your own little world and and not have an interest on gun laws in other countries that's up to you. I could say i have no interest on gun laws in other countries. But i like to widen my horizons and look at what happens in other countries including their gun laws. PS. Have you a problem with Brits your country men don't have a problem fighting alongside Brits in and Iraq Afghanistan ect. I suppose it takes all sorts. :rolleyes:
 
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The Nazis were fascist. Not Socialist. Our allies the Soviet Union were socialists.

But yes, aspects of the UK are socialist. Less so than in the past though. Most members of NATO are socialist.
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Made me laugh. You know that Nazi is short for "National Socialists", right? They fought Soviet Communism but still employed socialist principles for members of their party.

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Being a Brit who now lives in Switzerland and is enjoying gun ownership over here (3 handguns and counting...) and having lived under 2 very different licensing systems...

The main problem is the British Police

They have successfully lobbied the HMG (something they are not supposed to do!) to bring in tighter and tighter gun laws.

They are supposed to be competent at licensing firearms users. They aren't: The perpetrators of the 3 mass murders in Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria which prompted the 3 major recent reviews of firearms legislation all held police granted licenses. As far as I'm aware, no policeman ever faced the music

The police think they are above the law. It isn't uncommon to hear of a policeman leaving a firearm somewhere. If a civilian did that, they's be in prison. Policeman, might be reprimanded. Doubt would even lose job.

They aren't competent in handling firearms. They shoot the wrong people and in Manchester (major city) a policeman died on training because an instructor shot him with what he thought were blanks (playing a prank, no less).

The British Police are a joke that isn't funny. Morally, ethically and factually corrupt.

I'm afraid when it comes to firearms, whole licensing and armed response teams have to be fired.

And the reason I will happily say this: I no longer depend on them for a certificate. And yes, I do mean that if a shooter were to criticise the police, he'd have his license removed and his guns confiscated, never to be returned.

ATB from a very riled Scrummy
 
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