Anti-Gunners are out in force

[BlueTrain]

Do you think the United States or any of the states thereof or lesser governmental entities are tyrannical? We went through this once before and I don't see any evidence that the succeeding government was any less tyrannical that the other one. That why, when you speak of such things, that you first have to convince people of the truth of your claims.

Another minor problem is violence begets violence. There will always be those who don't agree with you. They may take it upon themselves to raise serious objections to your new kindler, gentler government. Don't fool yourself by thinking about sheep. There might be a few rams among them, not to mention goats. So what would you do about them? Kill them all or run them out of the country? So far that's been the usual reactions.

Just trying to get all the facts out in the open and to see what people are really thinking.

 

[Arizona Smithshooter]

Here are a few quotes, spoken by a few guys England labeled as terrorists, and one from another famous guy that seems appropriate:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, February 17, 1775

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom,
can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."
John Adams

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have" Thomas Jefferson

When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty.
Thomas Jefferson

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Thomas Jefferson

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms.” Thomas Jefferson

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson

“Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not”. Thomas Jefferson

and finally

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

 

[Chirpy]

Do you think the United States or any of the states thereof or lesser governmental entities are tyrannical? We went through this once before and I don't see any evidence that the succeeding government was any less tyrannical that the other one.

Excellent point, and I agree, but probably not the way you meant.

The 10th Amendment is all but shredded, not even considered by the DoJ any longer.

The 4th is all but gone, with no-knock warrants issued to militarized SWAT teams who can't be bothered to get addresses right. The current administration has enhanced the Tragedy of the Patriot Act with authorizing over 100 agencies to fly drones domestically, with nary a protest form the media or the ACLU.

The 1st has had the religion clause twisted beyond all meaning, and Chuckie Schumer is calling for "reasonable controls" on what's left.

We're (as if we are the Government) taking in almost double the tax revenue of the Clinton era, and still spending outstrips revenue by the greatest margin ever.

While certainly not a complete tyranny, the trend is surely going that way.

 

[Webleymkv]

From what I've seen, they're only slightly more shrill than they were after the Virginia Tech shooting. Even the slightly increased vocality I think is stems mainly from desperation because they're losing the fight. While the Bradys and their ilk were not in the greatest of positions when Virgina Tech happened, their position has grown even weaker since. Since VT, they've suffered two losses in the Supreme Court, one of the last two holdouts for CC has relented (Wisconsin), Constitutional Carry has spread, Castle Doctrine laws have spread, and President Obama has been less willing to push for gun control than they'd hoped he would've been. Gun control advocacy groups are becoming increasingly irrelevant and they know it, so they're resorting to the only things they know how to do: lie, embelish, and sensationalize.

 

[mrbatchelor]

Well, DHS has released a video of how to react in the event of an active shooting.

For the first time in the history of our recent government the sheep are being told to fight back rather than sit pallidly idle waiting for the great rescuers to come save you.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/473/2966001/DHS-funded-video-gives-tips-to-survive-a-shooter

Now for the government this present a sticky situation. Here they are forced to admit that you just might have to defend yourself. But obviously in the video your supposed to do it with a fire extinguisher against a shotgun.

Who-hoo. That's the odds I want on my side. BG gets Mossberg, I get dry chemical fire extinguisher. I feel safer already.

But I did note that the end scene in the video shows that instead of the police SWAT coming to clear the building it's the USMC's new domestic law enforcement units.

Now, how do we take this change in strategy by the government, telling the population to be prepared to fight back instead of merely cower like sheep, and tell them how to fight back effectively, like by carrying.

 

[ScottRiqui]

But I did note that the end scene in the video shows that instead of the police SWAT coming to clear the building it's the USMC's new domestic law enforcement units.

I think the guys in camouflage are Houston PD SWAT, not Marines. I haven't seen them in the digital cammies before, but their patches look like the HPD SWAT patches, and clearly say "POLICE" at the bottom (I couldn't get a good look at the top of the patch, but the middle of the patch appears to be the SWAT wings.)

Using active-duty Marines INCONUS for something as mundane as an active shooter scenario would run seriously afoul of posse comitatus and Title 10 Authority issues.

EDIT - Yep, HPD SWAT does have digital cammies:

 

[mrbatchelor]

Well, that's good to know it is SWAT. I was afraid I might have to get a tinfoil hat.

Regardless, my point is that for the first time that I have ever heard the authorities are saying "You might have to take care of yourself."

And this is good. But a fire extinguisher isn't my weapon of choice - assuming I get a choice.