Anti Gun Propaganda

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In the great fight to preserve our rights to own and carry firearms, there are a lot of organizations who talk about facts and statistics. Almost all of the information I pick up from the NRA and other organizations who protect our rights is dead on with their facts and statistics. However I was browsing around and found this website about gun control. I couldnt help but notice that most of the "facts" along with other information was wrong and misleading: http://www.bradycampaign.org
 
this is probably going to get locked as driveby, but i thought this was funny:

"Every time a gun injures or kills in self-defense, it is used 11 times for completed and attempted suicides"

I understand what they are trying to get at. I would question if there are 11 attempted suicides per self defense none the less...

But the way its worded... do they expect people to take them seriously? how do you expect people to believe your propaganda if its written like its propaganda?

"...one is used..."
 
However I was browsing around and found this website about gun control.
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In the 1970's, there was a group called the National Council to Control Handguns. That wasn't catchy enough, so they changed the name to Handgun Control Inc. They were worrisome, but not particularly dangerous. Then James Brady was shot during the Reagan assassination attempt, and his wife used the tragedy to draw attention to gun control.

The name was changed to the Brady Campaign, and they were for almost two decades the most dangerous threat to the 2nd Amendment. The 1993 bill which bears their name still causes us problems.

In the old days, they were quite effective in pushing agenda-driven figures under the aegis of "research," and they were great at selling innuendos and half-truths to legislators and the general public. They were once a multimillion dollar lobbying group.

But that was then, and this is now. Their yearly income is measured in four figures, and they're struggling to maintain any sort of relevance. Yeah, they get themselves on the news sometimes, but that's about it.

I'm not saying they're not worth watching; I'm just not too worried any more.

Every time a gun injures or kills in self-defense, it is used 11 times for completed and attempted suicides
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Notice the emphasis on "injures or kills." Out of the ~2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGU) per year in this country, the weapon is rarely used to injure or kill.

They're trying. They really are. Let's not be too hard on the little darlings.
 
The Brady Bunch (including the Violence Policy Center) is (in)famous for producing almost unverifiable "factoids".

For instance, most academics agree that an "infant" is between 0-2 years. A "child" is between 3-12 years (pre-adolescent), a teen or adolescent is from 13-17 years and an "adult" is 18 or more years. But when the Bradys talk about there being 'x' number of "children killed by firearms" they combine not only all three of these groups, but sometimes young adults up to age 24!

When statistics are against them, the Brady bunch trots out a few personal examples. For instance, CCW permit holders are statistically more law-abiding than non-permit holders. But Brady will trot out several examples of crimes committed by a permit holder or claim that there were 103 permits revoked last year in [state]. What they won't tell you is that is 103 permits out of 489,000 or 0.02%. That represents almost 1/2 million people with a 99.98% safety record.

In short, most of their statistics are cooked. Boiled, stewed and stirred for maximum shock value.
 
Anything these folks tell you is a fact is instead a factoid, a quasi-fact, a statistic masquerading as a real number, or just made up when they needed something to support their point of view.
 
In the 1970's, there was a group called the National Council to Control Handguns. That wasn't catchy enough, so they changed the name to Handgun Control Inc. They were worrisome, but not particularly dangerous. Then James Brady was shot during the Reagan assassination attempt, and his wife used the tragedy to draw attention to gun control.

The name was changed to the Brady Campaign, and they were for almost two decades the most dangerous threat to the 2nd Amendment. The 1993 bill which bears their name still causes us problems.
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True - but - not the whole truth.....
A huge part of the reason for the name change has been omitted.

Di you ever wonder why the phrase "Molon Labe" is so prevalent here @ TFL?

Are you aware that our gracious host (Rich L.) is responsible for the Brady name change?

It all began here:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23934&highlight=burr
 
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20 years ago the Brady bunch were awash in cash and poised for a winning streak. Today they have trouble paying the rent: Brady has been reduced to near irrelevancy-how fitting.
 
you should never look to the brady bunch for facts, they are so rabidly anti 2nd that it blinds them.
 
This is my favorite:

"People who own guns are X% more likely to get shot"

Yea...OK...I can buy that. Hell, I'll even agree with you, but the statistic is taken out of context.

People are X% more likely to get in a car accident if they have a driver's license.

I guess we should all skip our license renewal to lower our chances of having a car accident! And don't put your kids in Driver's Ed! Unlicensed drivers are clearly safer!
 
Thanks for the link to that old thread, that's amazing. I couldn't help but to chuckle at a couple of the comments on how it was getting difficult to load the page due to it's length (three pages:-)). How far we have come... I'm writing this on my phone and have rarely touched a "computer" in years.
 
What they forget to say is.........if we outlaw guns and make it against the law, every one will obey the law. Criminals wont break this crime...even though criminal means to break laws...we promise, you can trust us
 
If I was a criminal, and guns were outlawed or had restrictive rules like England, I would break in to some many homes because I would know or "think" that they didn't have any guns in the house, but I would be packing. Why would I care if carrying a gun a crime.....i'm a criminal.....I dont care to commit crimes, its what I do.....hence the name criminal!
 
yea josey, In the UK I would feel like a god with a crowbar or baseball bat.

you and two other people could easily walk into a house with heavy bludgeoning weapons and do whatever you wanted- rape pillage etc etc.

I guess 1 out of 1000 times youre going to get a kung fu master. I guess those are pretty good odds.

Point it, taking firearms away from everyone empowers criminals more than regulating them out of the hands of criminals and leaving law abiding people alone. And that doesnt even count the fact that some criminals will still have guns if you outright ban them.

Did anyone hear that little factoid that was something like:

During those riots in the UK the sales of baseball bats in the UK on amazon.com increased by 500%
 
For instance, most academics agree that an "infant" is between 0-2 years. A "child" is between 3-12 years (pre-adolescent), a teen or adolescent is from 13-17 years and an "adult" is 18 or more years. But when the Bradys talk about there being 'x' number of "children killed by firearms" they combine not only all three of these groups, but sometimes young adults up to age 24!
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I wonder if they include young soldiers killed in action just to fluff up the numbers?
 
How did this relate to the name change, though?
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Tom,
Long story short & filling in some of the missing parts from Bud's links.

El Jefe noted that HCI used a picture of a Beretta on their website & yanked HCI and Beretta's chains over it.
That ruffled a lot of HCI and Beretta feathers.

He took things a step further and registered handguncontrol.net as a domain name and put up a website that looked similar to the handguncontrol.org (Brady) site.
Only instead of the HCI propaganda, he debunked all their claims.

John joined in and registered handguncontrol.com as a domain and did the same thing.

Brady got all kinds of PO'ed about it and tried to bully them into removing the sites by threatening legal action.

That's when Rich stepped in and backed both guys by covering whatever legal costs might be involved.
He issued a challenge to Brady, that if they wanted the sites, then "Molon Labe" - come and take them.

Brady pressed the issue & eventually lost.
Both parody sites remained up & there was nothing Brady could do about it.

Brady caved and changed the name from handguncontrol.org to Brady in order to keep people from hitting one of the parody sites.

Al - good link!
However, I think the infamous assault tuna thread is more my style ;).
 
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