anti-government propaganda and an arsenal siezed in MD

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Guns, ammo, drugs seized in raid http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=4240&from=currentsearch&section=a1
By Susan C. Nicol
News-Post Staff

The Frederick County Narcotics
Task Force got more than they
expected early Friday when they
raided a home on Old Receiver
Road, uncovering
anti-government propaganda and
an arsenal that included 128
weapons and more than 38,000
rounds of ammunition.

Michael L. Burtner, 42, and two
women were taken into custody
without incident when officers
raided his home at 7927 Old
Receiver Road, said Sgt. Ed Hahn,
who heads the task force.

Mr. Burtner, owner of Casa
Pizza restaurant on North
Market Street in Frederick, was
charged with weapons violations
and drug offenses. He is being
held in the Frederick County
Adult Detention Center in lieu of
$750,000 bail, police said.

The women were not charged, said Sgt. Hahn.

"We anticipated getting a few handguns. But nothing like all this," said Sgt. Hahn, adding
that the task force obtained the search warrant following an investigation into suspected
drug activity.

The arsenal included rifles, shotguns, assault and sniper rifles, and handguns scattered
everywhere in Mr. Burtner's single-story brick house, including a bedroom, attic and
basement, police said.

Some of the assault rifles were still in their original, unopened boxes, while many
handguns were in holsters. All of the guns are legal to own. State law requires
registration of handguns and assault rifles, Mr. Rolle said.

Sgt. Hahn said task force members knew Mr. Burtner had about 35 registered handguns,
but found only four. "We wonder where the rest of them are," he said.

Ballistics tests will be conducted to see if the weapons match those used in crimes.

Also seized were about a half ounce of crack cocaine, two grams of marijuana, traces of
heroin and $1,400, Sgt. Hahn said.

Among the biggest surprises uncovered in addition to the weapons were several crates of
ammunition, three bullet-resistant vests, and anti-government literature and
videotapes, including one titled, "Waco: The Lie."

Mr. Rolle said the FBI's anti-terrorism unit was interested in reviewing the propaganda.

"It's quite clear a major tragedy may have been averted," he said, adding that authorities
had no knowledge of Mr. Burtner's association with any militia or other groups.

Frederick Police Chief Ray Raffensberger said he hoped the weapons and antigovernment
materials were an "isolated incident."

"This goes to show that there is no such thing as a routine raid for narcotics," he said.

Mr. Burtner, who has owned Casa Pizza for about 18 months, was said to have been
cooperative with police.

The suspect's father, Carroll Burtner, said he was surprised to find police at his son's
home when he arrived to clean up the back yard.

The elder Mr. Burtner, visibly shaken by his son's arrest and media attention, said he
just didn't know what to say. He returned to the house on Old Receiver Road on Friday
afternoon to gather a few things.

Neighbors said when they heard and saw the activity in the early morning hours they first
thought Mr. Burtner was having another party.

"Then I noticed all the cars were the same," neighbor Janiele Huffer said with a chuckle.

Upon learning about the arsenal stored in the house next door, Ms. Huffer said, "I was
shocked. It's scary. We have three children. ..."

She said the fact that drugs were found came as no surprise. "There was always a lot of
traffic in and out over there," she said. "... Always a lot of people coming and going. ..."

Until a few years ago, Ms. Huffer said Mr. Burtner, his wife and son were pleasant
neighbors who kept their home and grounds nice.

But after Mrs. Burtner and the boy moved out, things changed, Ms. Huffer said.

"He stayed to himself. He didn't take care of the lawn. He let things go," she said, adding
that last summer another neighbor called the county to report the tall weeds and grass
after seeing snakes.

Norman Ray, another neighbor, praised the police for their efforts. "I have a lot of
confidence in our police department," he said. "I thank them for breaking up this gang or
getting those guns and drugs out of there."

Both were shocked to learn about the anti-government brochures and tapes found in Mr.
Burtner's house. "We had no idea about anything like that," Mr. Ray said.

Large, overgrown bushes hide the front door of the home, and the side and back yards are
littered with appliances.

Bumper stickers on a vehicle in the driveway say "I (heart symbol) assault weapons,"
"Gun Control = People Control," "Say No to the New World Order. Keep America
Independent" and "Gun Control, Simple Solution for Simple Minds."
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"It's quite clear a major tragedy may have been averted," he said, adding that authorities
had no knowledge of Mr. Burtner's association with any militia or other groups.

[/quote]

Hmmm, I wonder what tragedy they speak of.
They might as well as said they guy could have sponsored the Desert Storm initiative...

I move to strike that remark, Your Honor, damaging, and inflammatory to my client!

Best Regards,
Don


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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
Gee, what a surprise. Just when Glendenning was getting some major flak for his bullying tactics, a Dangerous Anti-Government Gun Nut magically appears and takes some of that unwanted attention.

Shocked, SHOCKED I am!
 
except for the drugs and unkept yard...that could be any number of TFL types who could be painted with the extremist, anti gov't, gun nut brush!I do find it intersting that the neighbor was more horrified about the guns...than the drugs!
 
Wow ... the tone of this article is almost satirical. Read it again.

Note ... 'Michael L. Burtner, 42, and two women were taken into custody without incident' [a real dangerous guy] ... 'The arsenal included rifles, shotguns, assault and sniper rifles, and handguns scattered everywhere' [they'd have felt better if they were in one room? And, what is a sniper rifle to these guys - anything with a scope?] ... 'All of the guns are legal to own.' [apparently a very minor point to almost everyone involved] ... 'Mr. Burtner ... was said to have been cooperative with police.' [still a dangerous character] ... 'Both [i.e. neighbors] were shocked to learn about the anti-government brochures and tapes found in Mr. Burtner's house.' [perhaps my favorite line ... you mean, Burtner had one of those Waco videotapes they rent at Blockbuster Video? And, we're all suspect if we're worried about government? Wow. Which books am I not supposed to read?]

Really ... the tone of this article is almost surreal. Makes me wonder if the guy even had drugs there, or if it was just a setup. Scary to read of this in the U.S.

This is not the America I grew up in, and it is sad to see the decline.

If you've liked the War on Drugs, you're gonna love the War on Guns ... regards from AZ
 
Mr. X...yeah, interesting:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Then I noticed all the cars were the same," neighbor Janiele Huffer said with a chuckle.

Upon learning about the arsenal stored in the house next door, Ms. Huffer said, "I was
shocked. It's scary. We have three children. ..."

She said the fact that drugs were found came as no surprise. "There was always a lot of
traffic in and out over there," she said. "... Always a lot of people coming and going. ..."
[/quote]

"We have 3 kids".....the guy never shot or threatened anyone, the guns were a surprise...but the drugs are ok and acceptable?...oh yeah "we are shocked, we have 3 kids"

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Riddle me this, Batman...
A drug raid that nets only a pocketful of dope-
and a truckload of guns?
sniff- is that herring or rodent?
---------

i see red
it hurts my head
guess it must be something
that i read
-Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart
 
sniff- is that herring or rodent?

Skunk. HTH.

EDIT: No pun intended. ;)


[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited April 05, 2000).]
 
So again we see living proof of what we all believe, which is why we are here discussing this stuff. Where is our action? How can we take power back in this situation? What is the "high road" solution?

Does this mean the Waco documentaries will be even harder to find now?

Is this more justification for more numerous armed people in identical cars to come knocking?

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Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? For if it doth prosper, none dare call it treason." - John Barrington
 
"[a]nti-government literature and videotapes including one titled, 'Waco: The Lie.'"

Whether Waco is true of false is as irrelevant as possession of anti-government literature which doesn't advocate the violent overthrow of the government. Both are protected under the First Amendment.
 
He had illegal drugs. This doesn't make him a Norman Rockwell figure, but the last few people who got busted for acid and pot didn't even get expelled from Monmouth College.

He had a bunch of guns, ALL of which were perfectly legal. They make it sound like he didn't have them properly registered--again, big friggin' deal. He didn't fill out the paperwork.

He had literature and videos that weren't favorable to the government (I have to assume that "Waco: the Lie" was the "worst" one, or they'd have named another instead.) Again, perfectly legal and not all that suspicious. Hell, the facts published in the mainstream media paint the government as having at least lied about and covered up what happened at Waco! Of course, that's not the direction the spin goes, but the facts are out there in the mainstream media--the lies about the IR videotape, the lies about where the grenades were fired from, the lies about whether the FBI fired, the lies about whether Delta Force was there......

So in the end, this guy broke the drug laws. The rest is just regulations he didn't observe--IF, as they imply, he really hadn't registered the guns.

WHAT friggin' tragedy? Obvious to WHO?
 
This is the part I like best -

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Mr. Rolle said the FBI's anti-terrorism unit was interested in reviewing the propaganda.

"It's quite clear a major tragedy may have been averted," he said, adding that authorities had no knowledge of Mr. Burtner's association with any militia or other groups.

Frederick Police Chief Ray Raffensberger said he hoped the weapons and antigovernment
materials were an "isolated incident."
_____________________________________________

Since when did having a tape on Waco become a Federal crime. Why is the FBI involved? Also where are the drugs in the picture. It seems like they have become an afterthought. I have no sympathy for the fact that this guy was dealing drugs, but they seem to have become a side issue.

I did a post on this a while ago complaining how local police chiefs are using the occasion of displaying someone’s legal firearms as a way to get publicity and to kiss up to the soccer moms. It works for them. Usually the local papers then have fawning articles on how on the ball the local police are.

The only way I know to combat this growing trend would be to write letters to the editor of your local papers (the more local the better) criticizing the local police chief or district attorney (not the rank and file police) for being a publicity hound and trying to demonize legal firearms.

This isn't an easy option as no one wants to piss off the police but it might work, as the police chiefs and DA's are very sensitive when criticized in small papers.
 
kinda like that School gardner in CA that got raided for a lawnmower but had his gun safes cut open, huh?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sgt. Hahn said task force members knew Mr. Burtner had about 35 registered handguns,
but found only four. "We wonder where the rest of them are," he said.[/quote]

i wonder if the ATF collection of Sandy Abram's stores papers last week, targeted Mr. Burtner?

This "gun raid" makes me really nervous about my contacting my representatives over MD SB211.

Maybe thats the point.

double think, double speak, double post

dZ
 
This guy was busted for having less than an ounce of drugs. Hmmm, he must have been quite the drug kingpin. :rolleyes:

I'm especially impressed that the police seized "traces" of heroin. How are they going to present that evidence in court -- with a microscope?
 
We need some translation here, people, because misunderstanding the propaganda the paper puts out is doubleplusungood. For future articles of this type, please consult the small glossary below.

reloading components="bomb-making materials"

Time Life's "History of WWII"="Nazi Literature"

Remington 700 in 25-'06="high-powered sniper rifle"

Mossberg 500="streetsweeper"

semi-auto AR-15="deadly assault weapon"

A gun in the nightstand and guns in the safe="guns scattered everywhere"

more than two guns="arsenal"

two bricks of 22LR ammo="thousands of rounds of ammunition"

copy of "Unintended Consequences"="anti-government hate literature"

NRA/JPFO/GOA membership="ties to right-wing extremist hate groups"

Neighbors have seen subject carry cased guns to range="We saw him coming and going with assault weapons at all hours of the day and night. We were scared for our children."

The subject has a lab who likes to lick everyone, a burglar alarm and a steel door="the property was guarded by a vicious attack dog, which was shot when it lunged at an officer. The property was also equipped with an early-warning system and was hardened against the raid."


Seriously, though, folks. Stories like this make me think it's really all over, since don't some of you have these "bomb-making materials" in your house? Or "Nazi literature?" How many of you are a member of a "right-wing extremist group" like the NRA. I don't know whether this guy was a drug dealer or not, but the way this is being spun makes me sick. It sounds like they just got the head of the Cali cartel off the streets. Did the guy ever threaten anyone? Shoot anyone? Did anyone witness him buying/selling drugs? We're not getting the whole story. This stuff is making me nervous as hell.



[This message has been edited by Gopher a 45 (edited April 05, 2000).]
 
I'd LOVE it if the cops found "drugs" in my home. You see, we're Mormons, and it'd play REALLY BELIEVEABLE in the trial (NOT!)

Of course, I wouldn't admit my religious afilliation until the trial itself, so they wouldn't be able to counter it.

Lessee, LEGAL guns and LEGAL video. But' they're gonna STEAL all his guns anyway. Am I getting this right? Gee, I wonder why they "didn't find the others"? If you ask me, the guy should have rented a storage locker, and kept his main cache of firearms THERE (in a safe) instead of at home.

These days, law-abiding gun owners must, more and more, behave like criminals just to keep their lawful property. How long before we have "no more to lose", and the sh*t hits the fan? Of course, that's what the gov't WANTS, because then they can declare a "national emergency", suspend the Constitution, and steal EVEYONE'S guns. (Which was the entire point of the exercise.)
 
Good points, Dennis. Makes you wonder what's going on in the grey matter of some of these folks, doesn't it? Can they not see the writing on the wall, or are they the ones standing there with the cans of spray paint?

This does reek to high heaven. Just when someone on the anti-freedom side needs an "incident", along one comes.
 
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Registration of firearms gets you thrown in jail with bail set at $750,000! So you had some unregistered guns? Not anymore!

Nothing illegal? "Sarge, go get the stash from the trunk." "But sir, there's not enough drugs to bust him on a narcotics traffic charge." "That's ok son, we get all of his guns."

Anyone buying this?

The scarey part of the story was the alledged "anti-government propaganda" found. I guess this means that anyone who owns firearms must not agree with the government's anti-gun agenda, and therefore is an enemy of the State. Imagine if they would have found his "Debbie Does Dallas" videotape, he'd be labeled as an "anti-government-gun running-drug dealing-pornographer". Shame, shame.

Wanna bet the reason this guy was so "cooperative" was that he had 10 or 12 MP5's trained at his forehead?
 
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