Anti-Brand X Trolls

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Kermit

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I saw a thread on another forum :eek: re: anti-Beretta, anti-Glock, anti-1911 (you get the picture) trolls. Why is it that if fit and function are key to an individual's handgun purchase, they are ridiculed for buying that Beretta, or Glock or 1911 if that particular gun works for them? Can one really go wrong if one chooses a gun of modern design, materials and manufacture?
 
...only if one chooses a S&W :D

I personally get tired of the "if it doesn't cost X dollars, it isn't a quality gun" rants. I guess it makes some people more secure that if they spend enough money, there gun will automatically be flawless.
 
One should carry and use the gun they feel most confident. Such confidence should be borne of fit, reliability, ease of use, familiarity, and any other relevant personal whim. So long as the user likes it, feels confident with it and can hit the target with it, who cares what some other person thinks?

Some of us can't afford a $1k-$2k custom gun. Guns can be like people - very individualistic. When we say "Celebrate Diversity!" here, we mean you can have your Glocks, Taurus, Sig, Mauser, Sako, Kimber, Makarov, S&W, Colt, Pedersoli, Browning, Korth, EMF, ABC, 123 or what not and enjoy it.
 
INTO THE FRAY

Owned five Sterlings; two were good.

Point?

Doesn't matter what brand type design price origin IF IT WORKS FOR YOU.

Of course, some may argue this.
They will lose, because I'm right.

Whatsa troll? (Is that an online poster who is an anonymous expert?)(I never heard of X pistols.)





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"all my (insert expert opinion here) is factory whatever"
 
Glocks, Taurus, Sig, Mauser, Sako, Kimber, Makarov, S&W, Colt, Pedersoli, Browning, Korth, EMF, ABC, 123 or what not and enjoy it.
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Ehem :rolleyes:, Gary...

Put in an HK in there and i'd agree with you 110%!

Best,

New_comer:D
 
I owned one of those Brand X guns awhile back but finally sold it to some sucker because my special reloads wouldn't function in it unless I made sure that the OAL was within spec.

Also, a UrbanLegend, a friend of mine says he saw three Brand X pistols blow up in one day at the gun range, one right after the other. All of the owners were using factory ammunition and the guns were brand new at the time.

What's more, Brand X guns are ugly and they're too expensive. Anyway, I didn't like the way they felt in my hand and the sights were made wrong for Americans. Also, the magazines stuck in the gun and the owners of the company are foreign, so why would anyone want one anyway.

I think that anyone who buys a Brand X gun instead of a Brand Y gun must be an idiot because GunWriter B says that Brand X isn't as good as Brand Y since the safety is different on the two guns and because Brand Y was good enough for General Washington.

On top of that, the cartridges that Brand X gun shoots is no good because they are .001 inch smaller and that will mean the difference between life and death every time because GunInstructor A says so.

And the company support is lousy. My good buddy Anvilsmasher broke his Brand X gun and then when he returned it to the factory, they said that the warranty didn't cover repeated blows from a sledgehammer. Anvilsmasher says that a pistol that won't stand up to abuse is a piece of trash anyway and says he wouldn't have bought the gun in the first place if he had known that the Brand X guns will melt when placed on the surface of the sun.

Also, my Brand Y that cost me twice as much as a Brand X after you count in the gunsmithing it took to make my Brand Y pistol work is a smidgen more accurate than any Brand X could hope to be.

Besides, I don't like Brand X guns because they replaced the Brand Y in military service and everyone knows that the military always has the best gun until someone makes them switch to some other gun that isn't the best gun.

Plus, they don't come in the right color...

Now, everyone else should post exactly the same thing after my post except for those pin-headed cretins who like Brand X guns and they will say that Brand Y guns aren't fit to be doorstops or boat anchors.
 
[Now, everyone else should post exactly the same thing after my post except for those pin-headed cretins who like Brand X guns and they will say that Brand Y guns aren't fit to be doorstops or boat anchors.]

...huh?

I think I know what you're saying...on the other hand, could you say that again, just...different?
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Bottom line:

Buy what you like, shoot what you're competent with, and carry what you're confident in.

I do!
 
Squish 'em Trolls! :D


I think this matter is up to the Moderators. If a "troll" is identified, our mods could e-mail them a warning. If they continue on their crooked ways, ban them!

Should they re-appear using a different identity, squish them again! Or have an automatic identifier activated (maybe using the culprit's IP address or something), and ban them forever!

Best,

New_comer
 
Kermit,
I know first hand what you're saying. I currently own close to 2 dozen handguns. Sure, I've got my share of Beretta, SIG, Walther & Ruger, but I also own Taurus, TZ-99, CZ, EAA, HS2000, Mak, and waiting for me at my FFL, an Arcus 94. Guess which ones are shot the most, give me the least amount of problems, and provide the most pleasure? Yeap, the cheap ones. :eek: In fact, you already know which one of those is my absolute favorite. ;)

My brother and brother in law are gun snobs. My brother considers anything under $500 as worthless trash. He and I decided to get home defense shotguns. A Mossberg Persuader with a few after market parts was fine for me ($250), but he wouldn't settle for anything less than a Wilson Combat custom 870 ($1300). Now we're considering 1911s. I'm looking at basic Springfields, he needs a $1200 - $1500 custom gun. SIG 226 & 92FS for him, TZ-99 & PT-92 where just fine for me. In fact, he was intrigued by my HS2000, UNTIL he found out what I paid for it! Then it was instantly a "junk" gun.

My brother in law is even worse. If it's not steel, and made in the US or Germany, it's JUNK! To him, a CZ is junk! A Mak is junk! A P-99 is junk! A USP is junk! A SIGpro is junk! No surprise that the only auto he owns is a Colt 1911.

So as you can see, I deal with this mind set on a personal, almost daily basis. Since I can handle these type in real life, the on line ones are a piece of cake.
 
New_comer, id'ing and squishing trolls is every moderators second most fun thing to do! (The first is shooting, of course.) However, the type of "troll" kermit is referring to aren't true trolls, they are only unenlightened gun owners.

The thing about true trolls is that they can only be successful in their avocation if and only if members go for the bait. It always amazes me how many members not only go for the bait, they chomp it down with glee, hook line and sinker. :D
 
When I see someone doing this I just hafta shake my head and ignore them. You aren't going to change thier minds - they are beyond learning something new. It's pretty sad too, 'cause IF they actually practice what they're preachin, they are missing out on a whole world of quality firearms and innovative stuff!

On the other hand, gun snobs and fools - er, people - like this can make for a good laugh now and again. (thanks Gusgus, I know someone like that too! :) ) Just don't take them too seriously.
 
I suppose that I'm a gun snob, as being described here...

I won't touch a Hi Point, Jennings, Lorcin, AMT, or Davis with a 10-foot pole, because in my experience they then to be unreliable and unrefined. Unrefined I can deal with, but unreliable I can't. I've seen far too many problems with these guns in order for me to give them a green light to anyone.

AMT is a head scratcher. They're expensive. The other ones aren't. Yet, for the expense, AMTs tend to be pretty terrible guns.

You'll also hear me down Smith & Wesson semi-automatics, and I was doing that BEFORE all of the political crap started. I've always felt S&W semis to be ergonomically challenged, generally on the cusp of reliability, and way too over priced for what you get. There are two S&W semi-autos that I would consider owning, though -- the 3913 and the 645/4506. For some reason the 3913 seems to be the one semi where S&W got everything just about as perfect as perfect can be. The big .45? A friend had one, and I really liked it.

S&W's experience with the Sigma series of polymer handguns is everything above in spades. Quite frankly, those guns are terrible copies of Glocks.

So yes, if you pick an S&W Sigma, you CAN go wrong if you pick a gun of modern design, materials, and construction.

If, however, you buy the Glock instead of the S&W, you've just gone quite right in my opinion.

Perhaps the best value in firearms going right now is CZ. I've seen some scary low prices on these guns, but they tend to be very reliable, making them generally an excellent value for the price that you pay.

Essentially, though, it comes down to what you feel is right for you, and what works for you.

But never lose sight of the fact that if the gun is to be used for self-defense, it must be 100% reliable. If you have to go to a gun that you don't like quite as much to get that reliability, that is a trade off that you should make.
 
Okay, I'll go on record as opposing Brand X guns.

If you like a specific model of gun, get the real thing from the original maker, not the Brand X substitute. If you want a 1911, get a Colt. if you want a Hi-Power, get a Browning or the new FN models. If you like Berettas, get a Beretta and not a Taurus.

I'm not saying the Brand X guns don't work. Many of them work great. But if they don't, don't go blame the design! I got sick of a co-worker telling me he thought 1911s were crap, when the only one he ever owned was an Auto-Ordinance!
 
Brand X guns suck. I ran a bunch of cartridges with improperly seated primers through one and one of them didn't go off, so obviously Brand X guns suck. Plus you can't hit anything with them on account of the double action first shot, and since they use a striker (instead of a hammer like God's Handgun, the 1911), you get light primer strikes (which is why they work improperly with incorrectly seated primers, unlike the 1911, which was designed by John Moses Browning specifically to work with cartridges even if they had NO primers in them, such was his Divine Genius).

The only thing Brand X is better than is a Beretta, since we all know the Army is incapable of picking a service arm (except for the 1911 and M1 Garand, because Patton liked it), and if they selected it, it must be the WORST PIECE OF JUNK ON THE PLANET (I heard from I guy who knows someone who talked to a guy in the army that your average Beretta frame, on account of it being aluminum, lasts only for twelve or thirteen rounds before cracking, much like a Sig frame -- I know what I'm talking about because I've tested hundreds, maybe even thousands, of non-1911 firearms myself, which I bought even though I hate them and wouldn't feed them to a pig).

So come to think of it, Brand X is better than a Beretta and maybe a Sig, and since you can't get anyone at HK to give you the time of day and USP firing pins are made of glass or pencil lead or something, it's better than the HK, too. Oh, and Glock has an unsupported chamber, which if you read in the instruction manual it tells you right there that the chamber was specifically designed to cause the gun to explode, unlike a 1911.

So what I'm saying is that Brand X is only for stupid people and perhaps Chimpanzees, and I know what I'm talking about. The rest of you are just delusional.
 
All of my Brand-X guns work perfectly just as they came from the factory. My friend, Urban Legend, has a Brand-Y gun that cracked its slide so I knew right then that all Brand-Y guns are crap. So there! :p




You guys crack me up.
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All of my Brand-X guns work perfectly just as they came from the factory. My friend, Urban Legend, has a Brand-Y gun that cracked its slide so I knew right then that all Brand-Y guns are crap. So there!
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Sacre Bleu! You must be a commie-pinko-fag. Everybody knows that if God had intended for us to use Brand X guns he would never have selected Brand Y guns for the military a hundred years ago.

I'm ashamed that you would even post such a thing on a forum that I am a member of. If you don't get straightened out soon, you'll end up a shattered, broken man whose only comfort is cheap wine and secondhand shoes--just like all other Brand-X lovers.
 
I think the troll problem could be easily cured if everyone here agreed to never ask for anyones opinion about a particular weapon (or anything else). That way trolls (people with opinions) wouldn't be publicly unmasked and labeled as such.


Actually, the existence of TFL as an "opinion forum" is the root cause of this terrible problem. Obviously, the true Trolls are the operators and moderators of TFL that allow just anyone to post an "opinion" of any kind. These dangerous "opinions" are likely to damage someones pride or even create intelligent debate, which invariably causes the transformation of opinion holders into short, sub-bridge dwelling creatures.:p
 
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