Anti-2nd amendment cops

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JoshB

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I had two instances involving cops and my pistol over my recent vacation.

The first was, I was driving through VA (my permit isn't good there, but they have an open carry law). I was pulled over for a traffic ticked [first one in over 4yrs] and the cop see's the pistol, asks if it's loaded, and then asked me to unload it for him. I gave him my military ID, but he had no mercy for Marine LT's; wouldn't even consider writting a lesser ticket. Communists...

The second one was in NC (my permit is good here) when I was involved in a minor accident [first one in 6yrs]. I hand the cop my carry permit, DL, and military ID. He asked if I was carrying, and then asked to see the pistol. I pulled it out and showed it to him and then he asked for me to hand it over. I did so and he tried to unload it. Aparently he wasn't familiar with 1911's because I had to walk him through it [isn't it a given with most pistols that you take the mag out first???]. He left it on the dashboard and proceeded to take the rest of the info. After everything was over he let me reload and I asked him why I had to go through all that considering I was a law-abiding citezen with a carry permit. He said that it was his way of doing things and what he teaches all his rookies. I then laughed and said the real reaon was he was jealos that I had a nicer pistol! He thought it was funny and then I made a comment about the 2nd ammendment and how things would be better if everyone carried a gun.

Later this week I talked with a friend of mine who works for the NC state police and asked him if this was standard proceedure. He replied in the afirmative and said that he would not have let me handle the pistol, would have dragged me out of the car to get it, and would have kept it in his car till everything was over. I tried to talk with this guy about the 2nd ammendment, but he said he feels safer knowing that he's the only one with a gun.

Is it just me or is anyone else outraged about how cops deal with private citizens carrying pistols?
 
gave him my military ID, but he had no mercy for Marine LT's; wouldn't even consider writting a lesser ticket. Communists...
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I dunno, I suppose I have a little more outrage over the fact that you somehow think your military service should have anything to do with getting out from under a traffic violation, then your labelling the officer as a Communist because he did his job.

But maybe that's just me. It was meant as a joke, right?
 
Is it just me or is anyone else outraged about how cops deal with private citizens carrying pistols?
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Huh. I've had a total of 5 encounters with LEOs since I got my CHL. All five have been positive. Only once did one of the officers ask me out of the car to secure the gun, and that was more just to look at what I was carying and hand it right back to me (an old style Colt Official Police) and then proceeded to show me his myself and his partner started chatting about our guns.
 
No. I'm not outraged at all. I think what both officers did was perfectly within reason. YOU know that you're an alright guy who wouldn't take a shot at a cop. But how are they supposed to know that? Really. How is someone who has never met you before, and is no possibly giving you a ticket or arresting you , etc, supposed to know you're not going to get angry and start something. We have all seen those "wildest police videos" on TV or YouTube. Most bad guys don't look like Snidely Whiplash wearing a top-hat and a curly thin mustache. Most bad guys just look like everyone else. And 99% of those fights with police start with a routine traffic stop. Every time that officer gets out of his car and walks up to yours, he doesn't know if he will be greeted with you license and registration, or with some 9mm bullets. He has every right to feel safe being the only on e with a gun during the event. They gave it back when they were done didn't they? It just sounds to me like you're a bit too sensitive. And I agree with Leif, I'm in the Army(E2), and I don't think military service grants any special rights or privileges Stateside.


BTW, I really don't mean any offense Lieutenant :)
 
Being a newbie I might get flamed for this, but no, I think what both officers did was completely reasonable. They don't know you from Adam, and they are approaching someone that is most likely very unhappy. I don't know where the 2nd ammendment would enter in to it.
 
I am origionally from Ga., but am stationed in Md. Unless the law has changed, Ga. permits unliscensed, loaded carry in your POV. I have been pulled over several times while carrying my pistol in Ga. The police were always polite, asking me to unload and hand them my firearm. When their business was concluded, they would hand my pistol and cartridges back.

On a different occasion though, I was a victim of mistaken identity. I was pulled over and swarmed by four cruisers. I had pistols and shotguns pointed at me. The officer that pulled me over had his sidearm drawn and was doing a ninja type sneak manuver along side my truck. when he reached my window, he screamed at me to put my hands up and stuck his pistol in my face. Said he had a report of a man in a green truck with a gun and demanded my liscense. after I handed him my liscense, he looked at it a moment then threw it at me. I heard him tell the others, "wrong guy". They promptly drove off with out so much as a sorry. I am glad that I did not have my pistol with me that day. I still wonder If they would have shot me had I been carrying that day. I went to the station and reported the incident, but I was met with indifference.
 
Those were not the true anti's. The true anti's would have took your firearm, probly cuffed you in the back of thir car ran the s.s.# of the gun against any and all hot sheets, searched you car for anything they could find. when all was said and done placed the gun in your car unloaded and told you not to load it till they were gone. Those are the action of true anti carry officers.
 
Police Unions

Hi Folks, Newbie here. Where do most police unions stand on 2nd Amend. rights? My guess is (and it's just a guess) is that they stand firmly against gun rights, especially the right to carry. Two reasons I guess this: 1) a well armed citizenry might cut into their job security and 2) being union, they are in bed with the libs. Any thoughts?
 
I've posted this before, and I'll post it again--in fact, an earlier poster in this thread mentioned it:

Unless you want your life to become REALLY exciting, REAL fast, do NOT--EVER!!!!!---handle your firearm while on a traffic stop.

If and when pulled over, this is what I recommend:

1. Yield immediately.
2. Cut your engine completely.
3. If at night, turn on EVERY interior light you have. If during the day and you have windows with any tint on them, OPEN THE WINDOWS.
4. Hang both hands outside the driver's window, and wait for the officer to approach.
5. After they identify themself and ask for the usual two or three items, say this: "Officer, I'll get those for you; but I want you to know that I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I have it (on my person/in the car) at this time, and I have to reach past it to get my license. (Unless you have the license and registration above the visor, or somewhere similar.) What do you want me to do?"

If I am the one pulling you over, you'll hear, "No problem. Let me see your license and CCW permit, please."

I'll then inform you that I'll be back, return to my unit and run your name. (I'll already have the vehicle info before the stop is initiated.) Usually, in about 3 or 4 minutes, you'll get your license back with a "Drive slower next time, will you. You're free to leave now if you wish--by the way, what are you carrying for CCW?"

If you want to stay, we'll spend a bit of time talking about CCW, guns, loads, etc. If not, that's cool. You'll be on your way.

Do NOT, by the way, store your gun in the same place as your registration. That can be awkward. :D

And, should you get the urge to handle the gun during the stop, you'll probably get the business end of a Colt screwed in your ear until we get things sorted out. Why, you may ask? I have NO intention of playing pattycake with someone who is visibly armed until I can find out for sure that you're a good guy/girl.

However, I will say this: I have NEVER--in almost 10 years--had ANY sort of problem with a person that has a valid CCW. Drive safe, folks. :)
 
Hi Folks, Newbie here. Where do most police unions stand on 2nd Amend. rights? My guess is (and it's just a guess) is that they stand firmly against gun rights, especially the right to carry. Two reasons I guess this: 1) a well armed citizenry might cut into their job security and 2) being union, they are in bed with the libs. Any thoughts?
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Don't confuse "police chief-type" associations and police labor unions. Occasionally, you'll see blurbs in articles about how a police association favors gun control issues. Most times, it's not a police labor union, but rather an administrative association made up of a bunch of political hacks (that's what most police administrators are).

Most police labor unions are the actual rank-and-file officers. I tend to find most of the ones I know to have a firm committment to the 2nd. We do have a few however.... ;)
 
I dunno, I suppose I have a little more outrage over the fact that you somehow think your military service should have anything to do with getting out from under a traffic violation, then your labelling the officer as a Communist because he did his job.
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LEO's hook each other up all the time - I know this because I have a number of friends and family in LE. Although I'm in the military, I'm still bound to the same civilian laws, but am sometimes granted the "LE by association rule" and get the same "hook up."

As far as having to unload my pistol, my 2nd amendment rights ensure that my right to keep and bear arms will "not be infringed!"
 
LEO's hook each other up all the time - I know this because I have a number of friends and family in LE. Although I'm in the military, I'm still bound to the same civilian laws, but am sometimes granted the "LE by association rule" and get the same "hook up."
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But the point remains, neither they nor you should receive any special consideration, regardless of status. It's a non-starter to argue about whether or not somebody should "get hooked up." The guy did his job, and did it properly it seems.

As per unloading your gun during a traffic stop, it seems that most here, including myself, do not see where a significant, outrageous infringement of your constitutional rights has occured. Maybe I'm wrong, so I'll leave it to those more knowledgeable than myself to demonstrate that what happened is not the transgression you perceived it to be.
 
After they identify themself and ask for the usual two or three items, say this: "Officer, I'll get those for you; but I want you to know that I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I have it (on my person/in the car) at this time, and I have to reach past it to get my license. (Unless you have the license and registration above the visor, or somewhere similar.) What do you want me to do?"
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I keep my DL, CHL and POI all in my wallet and they are out and at the window with both hands in view (one holding the wallet, the other handing the needed items) ready to hand the policeman before he even gets out of his car.

I don't say "I've got a concealed weapon," or "gun on me" I hand him all three of the above with the CHL on top.
 
I keep my DL, CHL and POI all in my wallet and they are out and at the window with both hands in view (one holding the wallet, the other handing the needed items) ready to hand the policeman before he even gets out of his car.

I don't say "I've got a concealed weapon," or "gun on me" I hand him all three of the above with the CHL on top.
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I've always been told that's risky. It would require rummaging through my glove compartment or center console, something that would not look appealing to a cop in a cruiser behind me.

I put my hands on the wheel, look straight ahead and don't do a thing until the cop approaches my window. In the south I have even more reason to remain perfectly still.
 
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