Another Idiot Gun Owner

The local media and in particular The Atlanta Journal has run almost daily articles either directly or indirectly attempting to demonize gun owners and this law.
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The main problem is, there's Atlanta and there's the rest of Georgia. Those two entities are almost comically opposite each other on many things.

Unfortunately, Atlanta is where many conclusions are drawn and perceptions are created.
 
I’ve heard a lot of folks say that rural voters will never support more gun control. While this may be true the fact is that over half of Georgia residents live in the broader metro area and are potentially exposed to the media misinformation. Obviously we’ll never have the reach that the major media outlets do, so all we can do is support like minded candidates and attempt to get the word out.
 
"The main problem is, there's Atlanta and there's the rest of Georgia."

We have that same 'gun problem' in PA.
 
We have that same 'gun problem' in PA.
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You're right. The Philadelphia/Pennsylvania divide is very similar to what we have.

While this may be true the fact is that over half of Georgia residents live in the broader metro area and are potentially exposed to the media misinformation.
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Those are the folks we have to reach, for the most part. Rural voters in Georgia aren't nearly as involved, and their turnout in local elections leaves quite a bit to be desired.
 
Even though I live in an open carry state (police will still stop and inquire), I do not want anyone to know I'm carrying a firearm. There is a reason I took the time and expense to obtain a CCW permit. I want to be the "gray man" particularly in an urban setting. In some areas, carrying an expensive firearm on your hip is like wearing an expensive Rolex watch on your wrist. People with bad intention may take notice.
 
From what I read the first gun owner did every thing according to the book, while the second gun owner, that drew his gun, did everything wrong and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This is not a OC concern, but a irresponsible gun owner concern. The second gun owner was just looking for a reason to draw his weapon and would have done so sooner or later for any lame scenario he came across. Sorry, but even as an ardent 2nd Amendment supporter, there are some folks that just shouldn't have guns. This is a prime example.
 
I note in a recent CCW/CHL class I took, it will on average cost you $10-$25k
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This is an excellent point. I would like to see The American Rifleman do an article pointing this out.
 
buck460XVR said:
From what I read the first gun owner did every thing according to the book, while the second gun owner, that drew his gun, did everything wrong and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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You are correct, the first individual remained calm, did not respond in kind, left the store and contacted the police who then responded. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how any of that made him an "idiot".

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Sean N said:
That guy…. He is ALWAYS at that store. When he loiters outside, he will sometimes yell at people who look “too young to pump gas”. When he loiters inside, he tries to card people for beer and cigarettes.

He doesn’t work there.
This is not his first trip to County.
He’s nuts. He will follow people around the store and try to bully them into buying his favorite drinks or snacks. Not for him, but to make them appreciate Nacho Cheese Bugles like he does.
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I won't say this dude shouldn't own a gun, he has the right to defend himself in his home, but he certainly should not have a license for public carry.
 
First, thinks for posting this information based on the original story I assumed he was some kind of self appointed arbitrator of right and wrong. Of course the anti-gun crowd will simply point out that this is why we need more stringent gun laws.

Secondly, when I labeled someone an “idiot” it was the gentleman who pulled the gun and acted inappropriately not the guy who called the Police. So, it seems that qualifies him as an idiot.
 
I am not quite sure what the "gun puller" thought he was enforcing? Making sure the other guy had a CCW?
 
On the right to see a CCW permit "on demand".

If I'm a store owner and some idiot customer comes up to me complaining about somebody's incompletely concealed concealed-carry gun, I would appreciate the ability to politely take the CCW carrier aside and politely ask to see his/her permit to make sure for the sake of my customers and staff that the carry was legit.

There's a polite and apologetic way to do this that I'm sure most CCW carriers would be happy to comply with, and there's a way that would make most rightly stand their ground and decline.

The polite and apologetic way includes the concluding words "And if anyone else gives you grief about carrying a gun in my store, send them to me and I'll sort them out."
 
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A poster said earlier that this is one reason why concealed is better than open. I agree.

Anyway, the saying goes that when it comes to the law, ignorance is no defence. Slightly harsh IMO, but there it is. For something as potentially contentious as carrying a gun (or rather being seen to be carrying a gun), I think when there is a change in the law, there should be some public awareness carried out.
At the very least something like leaflets in gun stores for people to read. It should outline what the new law will mean, in layman's terms. Also for any CCW course, it seems a good idea to also educate applicants on some of the "diplomacy" or soft-skills that really should go hand in hand with gun carrying.

By that I mean that the hot-head who is usually ready to mouth off, should realise now that doing so with a gun on the hip could escalate things to a place they'd rather not go, whereas without a gun, they might have just earned themselves a thick lip...

In the case of the story above it seems like there was a gun owner who simply did not understand to where his mandate extended, and overstepped the mark. Hat's off to the other who kept his cool....
 
Except as allowed under certain laws, NO ONE including LE can demand that you produce ID just to assuage their curiosity
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Depends on who defines curiosity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

The Supreme court has upheld stop and identify laws. Basically in the states that have such a law the police can arrest you for not showing them ID. Georgia does have such laws.

In this case iirc the limitation is only for papers that show whether an individual is entitled to carry a firearm.

It does seem odd though, that there would be a license for open carry.
 
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