Here is a good short history of AP handgun ammo. History of AP bullets
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PsychoSword
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No, as mentioned before the teflon only acts as a lubricant and protective layer to keep the barrel from getting damaged when firing armor piercing rounds.
I'm still waiting to hear about this nylon thing, which I've never heard of before, but it still sounds like a variation of the teflon urban myth to me.
I'm still waiting to hear about this nylon thing, which I've never heard of before, but it still sounds like a variation of the teflon urban myth to me.
Well, I assume that you can all understand why police organizations are concerned about a handgun that can pierce a Level III vest? I was at the police range one day when they were testing .17 HM2 Rimfire Cartridges with the 17-Grain V-Max Bullet in a 6" revolver. They went right through the Level III vest as well. There were no 'happy faces' at the police range that day.
Security through obscurity is no security. Not to mention that almost every rifle round in existance can penitrate soft body armor and are "readily available", that is common knowlage. Besides, I don't believe that the .17 HM2 can penitrate a vest and/or still have enough omph to do any serious damage/penitration. I need to see a scientific test before I believe that.
PsychoSword
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Sometimes I think it's in police's nature just to look for things to whine about. They make good money. Alot more than firemen here and they work less hours, unless they want more. If they don't like it, they should find another line of work.
Like the babbling fat sack on the Brady Bunch video. "Oh the police only get 15 round magazines while this FN 5.7 gets 20 round magazines whaaaa!" Inferiority complex anyone? And I don't mean to lump all cops into that category, far from it. It's always that fringe group of babies that ruins it for everyone else.
'It's always the fringe group of babies that ruin it for everyone else'.
Ladies and gentlemen...straight from the horses...mouth.
Psycho...
No offense intended, but at one time or another, you've managed to deliberately insult just about everyone here. You seem to have no respect for anyone. What is it that you do for a living that affords you such contempt for your fellow man?
Just curious.
Ladies and gentlemen...straight from the horses...mouth.
Psycho...
No offense intended, but at one time or another, you've managed to deliberately insult just about everyone here. You seem to have no respect for anyone. What is it that you do for a living that affords you such contempt for your fellow man?
Just curious.
PsychoSword
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It's ok, there aren't any babies who know I'm typing this.
Sorry for not responding sooner. Was involved in a very minor auto accident yesterday and wasn't feeling that well, so I took some aspirin and went to bed.
About the NYCLAD rounds. UNLIKE the teflon coating, the nylon coating actually DID allow the rounds to move right through a vest like a hot knife through butter.
I have seen the results of ONE test up close of .357 Nyclad round (158gn) shot through the vest. Six holes. NO expansion, just went RIGHT THROUGH.
I have NOT seen Nyclad in many years. Not sure if it's even made any more. The funny part was because they were 'not normal looking' rounds, they sold them for about $6 a box back in the eighties. I used them as range rounds as normal .357 stuff was AT LEAST $9 a box.
Then I could NOT find them any more. Shortly after that, at a gun show I saw WHY they quit selling them to the public. It was a normal Level III vest with NO trauma plates and SIX holes near center mass. Scary if you think about it.
About the NYCLAD rounds. UNLIKE the teflon coating, the nylon coating actually DID allow the rounds to move right through a vest like a hot knife through butter.
I have seen the results of ONE test up close of .357 Nyclad round (158gn) shot through the vest. Six holes. NO expansion, just went RIGHT THROUGH.
I have NOT seen Nyclad in many years. Not sure if it's even made any more. The funny part was because they were 'not normal looking' rounds, they sold them for about $6 a box back in the eighties. I used them as range rounds as normal .357 stuff was AT LEAST $9 a box.
Then I could NOT find them any more. Shortly after that, at a gun show I saw WHY they quit selling them to the public. It was a normal Level III vest with NO trauma plates and SIX holes near center mass. Scary if you think about it.
NyClad was developed in the 1980's as a "green" ammuntion for use on indoor police ranges. The theory was that the nylon coating over the bullet lessened both the vaporizing of bullet material as it passed through the bore, but also it lessened vaporization upon impact with the bullet trap. This was done to lessen EXPOSURE to lead vapors, and was marketed specifically to LEO, since most of their practice and qualifcation shooting (in urban areas) is done on indoor ranges.
The fact that NyClad was discovered to be more capable of penetrating body armor did not come along until later.
NyClad ammo is no longer made, as better, more "environmentally friendly" bullets and ammo are now available.
The TEFLON coated bullets were created for a totally different objective. The bullet core itself is sintered Tungsten, but is coated with Teflon so as to not erode the rifling in just a few shots, as would happen if the tungsten was in direct contact with the barrel. The tungsten was SPECIFICALLY designed to penetrate lightly armored objects (and persons). The primary reason for this bullet was to allow LEO to have improved penetration of motor vehicles.
The TEFLON coating on the bullets does NOTHING to improve it's penetration of soft body armor. It just happens to exist to protect the bore from erosion.
The fact that NyClad was discovered to be more capable of penetrating body armor did not come along until later.
NyClad ammo is no longer made, as better, more "environmentally friendly" bullets and ammo are now available.
The TEFLON coated bullets were created for a totally different objective. The bullet core itself is sintered Tungsten, but is coated with Teflon so as to not erode the rifling in just a few shots, as would happen if the tungsten was in direct contact with the barrel. The tungsten was SPECIFICALLY designed to penetrate lightly armored objects (and persons). The primary reason for this bullet was to allow LEO to have improved penetration of motor vehicles.
The TEFLON coating on the bullets does NOTHING to improve it's penetration of soft body armor. It just happens to exist to protect the bore from erosion.
Russian Furry
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I like Niclad rounds. This is all I carry in .38sp I ended up buying about a case of 125gn +P+ .38sp.
