Another gun to be banned

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This is an article from my hometown news station website. www.wusatv9.com




New Guns
Written by Bruce Johnson
Created:1/27/2005 8:45:40 PM
Last Updated:1/27/2005 11:35:29 PM


There is a new gun on the streets, capable of piercing a police officers bullet proof vest.

That warning went out in Washington today to law enforcement personnel around the country.

Bruce Johnson's report

It's new, lightweight, easily concealable and designed to pierce the standard vest worn by most police officers on the streets.

That has leaders of law enforcement organizations so concerned they gathered in Washington today alongside politicians to sound an alarm.

The gun is the 5-seven handgun. It's made by FN Herstal of Belgium, and according to the company website this gun is intended to defeat the enemy in all close combat situations in urban areas, jungle conditions, night missions and any self defense action.

Staff of the "Brady campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" recently purchased the Five Seven from a Virginia Gun dealer and then with the camera rolling, fired the new weapon into the standard police vest.

The same vest was able to protect against bullets fired from other guns now on the streets.

The 5-Seven gun is a lot more of a weapon than any weapons that a DC area cop is carrying.

It can turn a single individual into a small army because it also comes with 3 magazines each carrying twenty rounds.

The Police organizations want Congress to ban the new gun before cops come face to face with the 5 seven on the streets.

The Law Enforcement Memorial Staff here in Washington says last year 153 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty.

Click on video to see Bruce Johnson's report.
 
It can turn a single individual into a small army because it also comes with 3 magazines each carrying twenty rounds.
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What? A gun comes with extra magazines? Say it ain't so! I mean, we thought we had criminals figured out, we knew none would EVER buy a spare magazine for their pistols. Dang those NRA nuts, giving out extra magazines with a pistol :p

I don't think it is LEO only, just some of the ammo for it is.
 
Only $800 for a Five-Seven!!! Yay!!! ONLY $800!!! Everyone can afford one!!! And $25.00 per box of 50 rounds of FMJ!!! Affordable armor piercing power for everyone!!!!!
 
Not LEO only in Virginia, obviously according to the article. I saw a local gun shop selling them as well and I happen to live in Virginia. It looked interesting but not only was the 5.7 expensive but the ammo was ugly-expensive. TheSportsmansGuide.com was selling 5.7mm HP ammo. They're only 28 grains!
 
Hasn't ANYONE here SHOT Nyclad rounds?

Nylon coated lead bullets that defeated ALL vests it was ever tested against.

I don't know if it's even made anymore, but it was a mother of a round. Especially in .357 mag.

Here are some results from back in 1999. Please note that on denim covered gelatin, it penetrated 18 + inches. And thats with a .38 spl 125 grain. Granted you don't get high fps (800 or less) but if you need more than that, go to the .357 158's. They don't do the 1350 fps advertised, but I believe they chronoed out at about 1000 fps.
 
Why would nylon coated bullets defeat kevlar? That have anything to do with the teflon fallacy? The teflon is only there to keep the bullet from damaging the barrel.

I've heard of nyclads, with there was an uproar about because supposedly they couldn't be traced back to the gun they were fired from.
 
Everything is relative.

The AP ammo is LEO only and is extremly expencive. The only load available so far to civilians is a 36grain HP load.

NEWS FLASH TO GUN-IGNORANT PEOPLE
The term armor piercing (AP) is relative.

Against a mideval suit of armor, a 22LR is AP

Against a Vietnam era flack-jacket a 9mm Luger would qualify as an armor piercing round. Against a modern kevlar vest, it is not an AP round, same with the 22LR.

My 7.62x54 Mosin Nagant rifle is AP against a modern Kevlar vest, but not against a Kevlar vest with a balistic plate insert.

A 50BMG rifle is AP against a Kevlar vest with a balistic plate insert. But not AP against a Bradley APC.

Everything is relative. I'm a genious compared to my retarded cousin, but I am quite dumb compared to Steven Hawking. I am a great athlete compared to Steven Hawking, but would get my a:):) handed to me if compared to Lance Armstrong.
 
They won't be banned. BATFE refutes Brady bunch assertions.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm

1/20/05

In response to numerous questions that ATF has received regarding the capabilities of the 5.7 X 28mm cartridge, the following technical information is provided.

FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber.

Type: Double Action Only or Single Action (in Tactical model).
Chambering: 5.7x28mm.
Length: 208 mm
Barrel length: 122.5 mm
Magazine: 20 rounds.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber approved for importation as a sporting firearm.

The classification of all ammunition is governed strictly by the definitions presented in the GCA. Specifically, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(17)(B), the term "armor piercing ammunition" means-

1. a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or


2. a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

FTB has also examined a 5.7 X 28 mm projectile that FN Herstal has designated the "SS196." The SS196 is loaded with a Hornady 40 grain, jacketed lead bullet. FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing ammunition under Federal firearms statutes.

According to FNH USA, FN Herstal tested the SS192 ammunition. SS192 ammunition did not penetrate the Level IIIA vests that were tested. FNH USA states that SS196, Hornady V-Max 40 gr. bullets fired from a 4-3/4 inch barrel did not penetrate the Level II vests that were used in testing.

FNH USA has informed FTB that SS192 is no longer imported for commercial sale to the United States and that commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196 (not armor piercing).

FN Herstal 5.7 X 28mm Ammunition

SS190 - Armor piercing (AP)
SS191 - AP Tracer
SS192 - Hollow Point (not AP)
SB193 - AP Subsonic
SS195 - "Green" - lead free hollow point projectile with copper jacket (not AP)
SS196 - Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V-max, hollow point lead), (not AP)
10700004 Blank (not classified as ammunition under Federal law)
10700005 Dummy
 
Nyclad had NOTHING to do with 'teflon'.

They coated lead bullets completely with (blue) NYLON. The main idea was to reduce barrel leading AND lead shedding on it's way to the target, therefore they were more 'environmentally friendly'.

The problem was, the nylon allowed them to defeat the vests. No, not trauma plate inserts, etc. Just soft vests.

I think they've been pulled from the market, but am not sure.
 
So it would seem, based on the FACT that civilians can not buy 5.7 AP ammo, that the Brady Bunch must have ILLEGALLY obtained some for the purpose of their demonstration.
 
The problem was, the nylon allowed them to defeat the vests.
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That's the first time I've ever heard of this. Did the nylon cause the kevlar to tear through friction or some weird effect? Just doesn't make sense to me.
 
I thought how the "teflon" bullets worked was that the bullets themselves where made of brass. They easily defeated soft body armor, but barrel wear was unaceptable. So they then coated the bullets with teflon to eliminate the problem of barrel wear. The teflon did nothing for the AP qualities of the bullet. It just protected the barrel. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
 
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