Ive read the posts and other general information about upcoming 2nd amendment legislation, but what do you guys think are the chances of another assault weapons ban/semi-automatics ban? I had a couple semi auto rifles but sold them when I moved out into the "real world". If theres a strong possibility of another, more comprehensive ban, then I'm going to stock up asap....What do you guys think would be the most highly valuable stuff to be in possession of? I discussed it with a couple dealers and they suggested the "mean looking" guns, i.e. AK's, AR's, FAL's, etc. Any suggestions?
Another Assault Weapons Ban? Chances?
- Thread starter GalilARM
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At this point, I would only buy what you nedd to defend yourself. If they go heavy on taking away RKBA their just gonna take them away anyways. Buy more ammo if you want to invest. In the end it will probably not matter it will be a numbers game and our minority group of constitutional activists do not stand a chance. New World Order ....Yeehaaaaaa:barf: .
Wildalaska
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Gee I ve been seeing these words of wisdom since 1968 and we still have guns
WildanewgnerationAlaska
I think the chances are 2 to 1 there will be another ban. I also think it wil be more strict then the last one, as the antis are very angry that the last ban 'didn't do enough', was too easy to circumvent, etc. While it may again allow grandfathering of possessed 'contraban' (I sure hope so!), I think it may involve some scheme of registering those firearms.
I think more control of ammo will be included - esp. to the amounts allowed, and stricter definitions of "assault weapon" to include many 'normal' semi-autos. "Hicap" mags will also again be a target.
Anything they think they can get away with including, which is easily represented as "sensible" "for safety's sake", or "to fight terrorism"will be included.
2008 will be here very soon, and it doesn't look good that we will have a pro-2nd amend. president.
I think more control of ammo will be included - esp. to the amounts allowed, and stricter definitions of "assault weapon" to include many 'normal' semi-autos. "Hicap" mags will also again be a target.
Anything they think they can get away with including, which is easily represented as "sensible" "for safety's sake", or "to fight terrorism"will be included.
2008 will be here very soon, and it doesn't look good that we will have a pro-2nd amend. president.
I dont think they heard you in Washington D.C. and Chicago
which is the situation in Chicago and D.C.
SanFrancisco will probably get what they want eventually which is a gunban.
1968 I sure would love to have some rifles from that time period, before the 1986 machine gun ban the effectively divides that citizenry.
what was that
not just limited to Iowa but model throughout the US though sometimes differing slightly. much like the Declaration of Independence.
constitutions of all sort as good as toilet paper. unconstitutional laws never get challenged and it wont end short of a revolution
nothing like having 2 laws in Iowa one for the Privileged class and one for the non privileged class. funny that model is not original or new but we have certain amendments that are supposed to protect against such.
hey wild why dont you take some guns with you to california and do a liberty check for us see who ends up happy tyrants or free people.
more laws we get prices for arms will go up in value until the government bans then and starts stealing them from whoever they can then again they have already banned some guns and rob people of everything and have burned down buildings full of people,destroyed families.
After the next terrorist attack (and it's when, not if) you can expect the BOR to go swirling down the porcelain pony. The Dems are perfectly willing to sell out the country if it will help them institute their political agenda. In the DPRK a conversation not meant for public consumption was put out over a loudspeaker as various Dem luminaries planned to trash the economy of the Dstate and blame Arnold and the Republicans. The Republicans are rats too, I simply despise them a little less.
Wildalaska
Moderator
Those two cities arent the US.....
WildlocalpoliticsAlaska
rellascout
Moderator
What if you local politics is Washington?
I am not in the city but close enough that everything here is tied to DC. You cannot escape it.
I do not think we are going to see a new ban. The majority is not strong enough and there were quiet a few pro gun dems that were elected. I am still buying guns like they are going out of style but not because a new ban is comming but because Wild's prices are so low.
WildcantkeephishandsoutofmywalletAlaska
I am not in the city but close enough that everything here is tied to DC. You cannot escape it.
I do not think we are going to see a new ban. The majority is not strong enough and there were quiet a few pro gun dems that were elected. I am still buying guns like they are going out of style but not because a new ban is comming but because Wild's prices are so low.
WildcantkeephishandsoutofmywalletAlaska
rellascout
Moderator
Why would I say that there weren't warning signs? Of course there are warning signs but I do not think that it will go through.
I plan on working on the issue within my state and my national elected officals and in the end I will be more than prepared if it comes.
Why are you making this confrontational? I gave my opinion which in the end may or may not be correct. Only time will tell.
I plan on working on the issue within my state and my national elected officals and in the end I will be more than prepared if it comes.
Why are you making this confrontational? I gave my opinion which in the end may or may not be correct. Only time will tell.
rellascout
Moderator
You needed to quote Frederick Douglas in order to disagree? I really don't know where you are going with this.
Are you talking federal legislation? If so, the answer is none. There is absolutely no chance.
Let's use a little critical thinking.
First, the Dems remember what happened the last time they tried it. Clinton blames the AW ban for a large defeat in the congressional elections.
Second, the Dems have the slimmest majority in both houses. In the Senate, you need 60 votes to end a filibuster (vote of cloture). They don't have those 60 votes. Not even close.
Third, many of the Dems just elected this past election are, in fact, pro-gun.
If you want to buy some guns, go right ahead. But don't kid yourself that a new federal AW ban is right around the corner. It isn't (though some organizations are not above using scare tactics to raise more funds).
At the start of every legislative session, legiscritters file their wish-list of legislation. It's primarily for show, so they can go home to their district and hold a press conference about how they filed legislation "for the children." So every session there are dozens of anti-gun bills. List the vast majority of all bills filed, they are buried in committee and don't go anywhere.
I no longer "wonder" if there will be a gun ban.. I know, sooner or later all guns will be banned.. period. As the Democrats win because of their stance on guns, the Republicans will modify theirs to be in line with what it takes to win. Eventually, both parties will be anti gun and that will be the end of guns.
I don't have much hope for those that spout "from my cold dead fingers", it sounds great, but I doubt it would happen. Think about it, you have hidden guns,, somebody turns you in and 50 armed police or military are all around your home.. snowballs in hell would fare better. You are dead and they will in fact pry the gun from your cold DEAD fingers. The NRA isn't the end all of things, and God knows they are political too and care more about surviving than they care about you or me as individuals and gun owners. I just think that with no voice in what is going on,, we all lose. Just remember how well the Branch Dividians did against the government. This Country (Government, Polititians, Liberals) simply want no guns in the hands of the citizens, regardless of what the Constitution says. The BS about saying you will fight to the death to keep your guns is simply puffery. Go get people into wanting to keep guns, talk rational reasons, not emotional reasons, get people into shooting, get them interested in the sport of shooting or hunting. And most of all, quit depending on someone ELSE doing it for you. It is going to take a ground swell of Americans dedicated to the principles of the 2nd Admendment to allow us to keep our guns. If you don't try, you will eventually lose them and don't blame me as I introduce all the young and middle aged people into this game as I can. Quit posturing, get involved.
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I don't have much hope for those that spout "from my cold dead fingers", it sounds great, but I doubt it would happen. Think about it, you have hidden guns,, somebody turns you in and 50 armed police or military are all around your home.. snowballs in hell would fare better. You are dead and they will in fact pry the gun from your cold DEAD fingers. The NRA isn't the end all of things, and God knows they are political too and care more about surviving than they care about you or me as individuals and gun owners. I just think that with no voice in what is going on,, we all lose. Just remember how well the Branch Dividians did against the government. This Country (Government, Polititians, Liberals) simply want no guns in the hands of the citizens, regardless of what the Constitution says. The BS about saying you will fight to the death to keep your guns is simply puffery. Go get people into wanting to keep guns, talk rational reasons, not emotional reasons, get people into shooting, get them interested in the sport of shooting or hunting. And most of all, quit depending on someone ELSE doing it for you. It is going to take a ground swell of Americans dedicated to the principles of the 2nd Admendment to allow us to keep our guns. If you don't try, you will eventually lose them and don't blame me as I introduce all the young and middle aged people into this game as I can. Quit posturing, get involved.
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I note that the RKBA is in the state constitutions of 43 states, I think the
battle over the RKBA really has shifted to the states. The memories on 1994 are still strong, to win last year's elections the Democrats had to tack hard to
the right and recruit a lot of candidates who are really DINOs. Rather than a
frontal assault, the antis will engage in a lot of incrementalism and nibbling away plus rely on their preferred method of Government By Judiciary.
battle over the RKBA really has shifted to the states. The memories on 1994 are still strong, to win last year's elections the Democrats had to tack hard to
the right and recruit a lot of candidates who are really DINOs. Rather than a
frontal assault, the antis will engage in a lot of incrementalism and nibbling away plus rely on their preferred method of Government By Judiciary.
Yeah, it's not like anyone's trying to disarm the American people. We're all "tinfoil hat" types who are hallucinating the 1968 GCA, the 1986 machine gun ban, the 1994 AWB, and increasingly common state and local laws as well. When the only guns we can (legally) possess are single-shot .22LR's, will you still say, "We still have guns"?
Having said that, I do think the Democrats are going to be a little more careful this time about guns -- at least in the beginning. They may bide their time, but we can be sure that Feinswine, Schumer, et al., will be back.