Ann Richards, former Texas gov., has died...
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Thanks Springmom. Perry has certainly done well by Texas gunowners. The TTC worries me, in part, because Tx is just the entry point for the NAFTA Highway. Check this website to see how it will affect Texas:http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/index.htm
Also, I tried to start a thread on this forum about the agreement and the obvious decimation of the Constitution and BOR, but was shut down. See
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221907
badbob
Also, I tried to start a thread on this forum about the agreement and the obvious decimation of the Constitution and BOR, but was shut down. See
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221907
badbob
Try driving I-35
When we were living in the Austin area I'm afraid I may have, from time to time, added to the air pollution as I "turned the air blue" dodging trucks just over the border. Eventually the highway patrol started really cracking down on trucks that were patently unsafe, but we lost some folks over the first few years in accidents with trucks with, oh, NO BRAKES....
:barf:
Things are indeed better now thanks to our state troopers and a lot of money spent on enforcement but for awhile you took your life in your hands to drive down to UT!
Springmom
When we were living in the Austin area I'm afraid I may have, from time to time, added to the air pollution as I "turned the air blue" dodging trucks just over the border. Eventually the highway patrol started really cracking down on trucks that were patently unsafe, but we lost some folks over the first few years in accidents with trucks with, oh, NO BRAKES....
:barf: Things are indeed better now thanks to our state troopers and a lot of money spent on enforcement but for awhile you took your life in your hands to drive down to UT!
Springmom
I agree with the first sentence.
I disagree with the second sentence. I don't mourn the loss of enemies. And I don't believe that people should be respected for the absolute value of their views and opinions; to me, the views and opinions have to make sense before I respect them. I don't care if they "really strongly believed what they believed," and that won't earn them my respect. I'm sure there are some NAMBLA-types who "really strongly believe" they should be able to molest kids legally. Does the fact that they are fervent believers who work hard for their side make them worthy of respect?
I don't wish cancer or death on people just because they are my (political or ideological) enemies, but neither do I mourn their deaths. Instead, I end up glad that they are out of the way and cannot continue their "noble" fight to strip me of my rights.
-azurefly
ummm
I think there's a difference between the governor of a state and a child molester. The thing is, when I look back at politicians who have passed away (some who were really statesmen, some who were just "politicians") if I'm fair, I can see that their life is in shades of gray. I can't think of a politician in my lifetime that I can honestly say was irredeemably bad, although I can certainly think of any number that I thought that about while they were alive.
Myself, I respected her for her honesty about her personal failings. It can't be easy to stand day after day under the scrutiny of the camera and talk about your years of alcoholism and the failure of your marriage. But she did it with style and with humor and honesty. That may be about the only good thing you can say about those years, but I do think that is true.
Just my $.02, highly overinflated as always
Springmom
I think there's a difference between the governor of a state and a child molester. The thing is, when I look back at politicians who have passed away (some who were really statesmen, some who were just "politicians") if I'm fair, I can see that their life is in shades of gray. I can't think of a politician in my lifetime that I can honestly say was irredeemably bad, although I can certainly think of any number that I thought that about while they were alive.
Myself, I respected her for her honesty about her personal failings. It can't be easy to stand day after day under the scrutiny of the camera and talk about your years of alcoholism and the failure of your marriage. But she did it with style and with humor and honesty. That may be about the only good thing you can say about those years, but I do think that is true.
Just my $.02, highly overinflated as always
Springmom
Looks like some hypocritical behaviour going on here.
I have seen people, myself included, get a lashing for opinions on various topics such as illegals,religion,etc.... yet here we have a woman who lost her life and SOME have made jokes, one even calling for another(H.Clinton) to die.
Is it ok to bash her because she was percieved as anti-gun?
Rest in peace Ann.
I have seen people, myself included, get a lashing for opinions on various topics such as illegals,religion,etc.... yet here we have a woman who lost her life and SOME have made jokes, one even calling for another(H.Clinton) to die.
Is it ok to bash her because she was percieved as anti-gun?
Rest in peace Ann.
It's okay to recognize that she was hostile to a right that we feel is pivotal to remaining free. Openly hostile toward it.
I really don't see what I should be respecting. In my view, certain positions on issues that affect real life, law, freedom, can prejudice a person's overall worth in my eyes, and make any so-called positives they have done minimal when contrasted with the great evils they have attempted (or even succeeded) in perpetrating. If someone cured a horrible disease, but turned out to have conducted cruel experiments on infants to do it, and then that person died, I would not speak well of that person after his death, even though I would be glad for the cure to have been found.
How many people became victims of criminals during the time when Texans could have had CCW, but didn't because of Richards' veto of the people's desire?
I already said that I don't wish cancer on anyone. My mom died of cancer. I have known plenty of people who have died of it, or who have it, or who have had it. I don't wish illness on anyone.
Hey, I have an idea, let's talk about George Clooney, who said that he's glad Charlton Heston has Alzheimer's disease because anyone who would be NRA president deserves it. :barf:
-azurefly
I really don't see what I should be respecting. In my view, certain positions on issues that affect real life, law, freedom, can prejudice a person's overall worth in my eyes, and make any so-called positives they have done minimal when contrasted with the great evils they have attempted (or even succeeded) in perpetrating. If someone cured a horrible disease, but turned out to have conducted cruel experiments on infants to do it, and then that person died, I would not speak well of that person after his death, even though I would be glad for the cure to have been found.
How many people became victims of criminals during the time when Texans could have had CCW, but didn't because of Richards' veto of the people's desire?
I already said that I don't wish cancer on anyone. My mom died of cancer. I have known plenty of people who have died of it, or who have it, or who have had it. I don't wish illness on anyone.
Hey, I have an idea, let's talk about George Clooney, who said that he's glad Charlton Heston has Alzheimer's disease because anyone who would be NRA president deserves it. :barf:
-azurefly
How many people became victims of criminals during the time when Texans could have had CCW, but didn't because of Richards' veto of the people's desire.
Since when did any politician give any regard to the desire of the people.
The majority of Texans want casino gambling, yet we dont, they wont even let the people vote on it. Millions upon millions of dollars are crossing state lines into Louisiana and staying there.
I am not saying anyone should be praising Richards, but she never killed anyone, doesnt seem right to gloat about someones death.
one could also say....how many American military personnel would still be alive today, but aren't because Bush isnt listening to the people.
Since when did any politician give any regard to the desire of the people.
The majority of Texans want casino gambling, yet we dont, they wont even let the people vote on it. Millions upon millions of dollars are crossing state lines into Louisiana and staying there.
I am not saying anyone should be praising Richards, but she never killed anyone, doesnt seem right to gloat about someones death.
one could also say....how many American military personnel would still be alive today, but aren't because Bush isnt listening to the people.
..people who spend the lives with political power using it to promote wrong positions on issues..why should I mourn their demise..neither do I celebrate it...I'm relieved that someone with such power is no longer a threat and I only mourn that they didn't do better in life...thats the truth of my view in a nutshell..when the Clintons' time comes, I will feel the same, only much more so since they are a much greater threat to what I think is right...
Well said, Aspen.
I would add, "Why should I celebrate her and the strength of her convictions?"
I mean, I didn't agree with her, on what I consider a very important issue! I should still respect her because although I disagreed wholeheartedly with her ideology, she felt it strongly, and worked ardently to further it? To enact policies with which I vehemently disagree? Uh, nah.
-azurefly
I would add, "Why should I celebrate her and the strength of her convictions?"
I mean, I didn't agree with her, on what I consider a very important issue! I should still respect her because although I disagreed wholeheartedly with her ideology, she felt it strongly, and worked ardently to further it? To enact policies with which I vehemently disagree? Uh, nah.
-azurefly
Glockamolie
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Rest in peace, Ann.
I'm glad she lived a full life. I just wish none of it was in public office.
I'm glad she lived a full life. I just wish none of it was in public office.
Springmom said:
I'm with you on that one springmom, and so very sorry to hear of your loss. I just lost my brother in August to the same ... esophageal cancer. He fought for 3 years, but in the end, he lost. He never smoked. He fought acid reflux most of his life. The reflux caused polyps to develop in his esophagus. the polyps eventually became cancerous. By the time he was diagnosed, he was in stage 3. I miss him already.
I hate to see anyone lose the battle with cancer, even a worthy opponent...
Evil Monkey
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So I made a joke? So what?
Did you forget that many Americans have died because of the anti-gun crowd and thier damn gun control? We don't matter to anti-gun, anti-self defense politicians. Just like how dianne feinstein gets to have a pistol but doesn't want you to have one because YOU don't matter. They don't care. So why should we care?
...And dianne should follow the tracks too.
.... yet here we have a woman who lost her life and SOME have made jokes, one even calling for another(H.Clinton) to die.
So I made a joke? So what
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Your "joke" doesnt offend me in the least, i dont find it funny, but it doesnt bother me.
My point is that why is your "joke" about a woman who just lost her life ok, yet other "jokes" will get a person a mod. tounge lashing or even get a person banned.
For instance, there recently was a thread along the lines of "how will you commemorate 9/11", one poster said he wanted to "burn down a mosque".
That obvious "joke" got him in trouble, so tell me what is the difference?
Its ok to bash a woman whos not even cold in her grave yet, but say something derogatory about muslims or WB's and watch out.
So I made a joke? So what
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Your "joke" doesnt offend me in the least, i dont find it funny, but it doesnt bother me.
My point is that why is your "joke" about a woman who just lost her life ok, yet other "jokes" will get a person a mod. tounge lashing or even get a person banned.
For instance, there recently was a thread along the lines of "how will you commemorate 9/11", one poster said he wanted to "burn down a mosque".
That obvious "joke" got him in trouble, so tell me what is the difference?
Its ok to bash a woman whos not even cold in her grave yet, but say something derogatory about muslims or WB's and watch out.
TheBluesMan
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This one is closed for thread veer. We're talking about how we're talking instead of the subject matter.
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