PP:
I think there are two different points here that may be confused in the discussion. There are privileges granted us by society and we may lose those privileges, based on non-compliance with society's rules. There are rights you are borne with and may have these rights removed, also based on non-compliance with society's rules. Those privileges mentioned above are called "rights" by many. I wasn't particular about that until I started hearing about a new right on the evening news every day. My point is this: just because society can remove a right you were borne with doesn't mean you weren't borne with that right. The similarity in process of how you may lose a right, or some privileges granted by the gov't, does not define how your rights, and some privileges, were gained in the first instance.
Those "inborn" rights, as you call them, are there whether a Constitution comes along or doesn't. If they really exist, they belong to every human drawing air. There is the little detail of incarceration (imprisonment) and the death penalty and that cannot be ignored when debating absolute rights. However, first, everyone is borne with the right to exist until they prove they don't deserve that right, according to society. Because of these examples, I think it would be very difficult for anyone to defend the "absolute" nature of any right, natural borne or not.You have the rights you do BECAUSE of that document.
I think there are two different points here that may be confused in the discussion. There are privileges granted us by society and we may lose those privileges, based on non-compliance with society's rules. There are rights you are borne with and may have these rights removed, also based on non-compliance with society's rules. Those privileges mentioned above are called "rights" by many. I wasn't particular about that until I started hearing about a new right on the evening news every day. My point is this: just because society can remove a right you were borne with doesn't mean you weren't borne with that right. The similarity in process of how you may lose a right, or some privileges granted by the gov't, does not define how your rights, and some privileges, were gained in the first instance.
I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone make that claim or insinuate it.The document does not exist because of inborn rights.