An accident in Mississippi
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FrankenMauser
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Disconnected parking brakes are not illegal everywhere.
...Just like baiting game animals is not illegal everywhere.
...Just like suppressors are not illegal everywhere.
...Just like "assault rifles" are not illegal everywhere.
Blanket statements will never cover everything in this country. (Including this statement.
)Trigger shoe + holster... generally a stupid idea. But, I'm sure some one could come up with a few examples where the risks have been diminished to the point of no longer being a serious issue.
The disconnected parking brake I was using as an example,not something to split hairs over,I realize it mabe ok in your state,but in Texas it won't pass the yearly vehicle inspection if it does'nt work,same go's for headlights,blinkers tail lights and such.
I understand the shoe, if not used correctly could be dangerous, but it's not illegal to own or use,yet.
All I was trying to say, was a phone call to the owner is not to much to ask for, is it??
I understand the shoe, if not used correctly could be dangerous, but it's not illegal to own or use,yet.
All I was trying to say, was a phone call to the owner is not to much to ask for, is it??
The parking brake example is way too far off the mark.
Plenty of features of dedicated target guns could be considered inherently dangerous in a carry/hunting firearm. If a customer takes an Anschutz target rifle into a smith to have it recrowned, is it acceptable for the smith to remove the trigger assembly and put in a factory-quality 7lb trigger because the target trigger is unsafe for field use? Without telling the customer he will do this?
I think not. Taking a firearm to a smith is different than returning an altered firearm to a manufacturer for repair. If the smith is uncomfortable with accepting the firearm to return the way the customer had it, he needs to communicate. PERIOD.
Plenty of features of dedicated target guns could be considered inherently dangerous in a carry/hunting firearm. If a customer takes an Anschutz target rifle into a smith to have it recrowned, is it acceptable for the smith to remove the trigger assembly and put in a factory-quality 7lb trigger because the target trigger is unsafe for field use? Without telling the customer he will do this?
I think not. Taking a firearm to a smith is different than returning an altered firearm to a manufacturer for repair. If the smith is uncomfortable with accepting the firearm to return the way the customer had it, he needs to communicate. PERIOD.
No, we didn't alter an Anschutz target rifle, as the manufacturer had enough sense to make the trigger guard wider than the trigger. We did reblue a couple of them, now that you mention it.
Trigger shoes (items like that we referred to as BOPOS) are an accident waiting for a place to happen. It's THAT gunsmith's shop. He can decide what he does and doesn't work on. Trust me- it was no secret what we did and didn't work on.
Gunsmiths get "that way" from bitter experience. Customers come trundling in with their bad idea in a bag, and we have to sort it out. You have to draw the line somewhere, and trigger shoes are on *that* side.
Trigger shoes (items like that we referred to as BOPOS) are an accident waiting for a place to happen. It's THAT gunsmith's shop. He can decide what he does and doesn't work on. Trust me- it was no secret what we did and didn't work on.
Gunsmiths get "that way" from bitter experience. Customers come trundling in with their bad idea in a bag, and we have to sort it out. You have to draw the line somewhere, and trigger shoes are on *that* side.
One of FrontSight's accident reports covers this same situation with a modified 1911 and a kydex holster. So yeah, it's a well understood issue.
Another one that's hit a few people is getting one of those plastic string-tie "barrels" found on FBI windbreakers and the like into a triggerguard on re-holstering. THAT can crank one off!
Fortunately most of these "bullet skims the outside of the leg" accidents are relatively mild as gunshot wounds go. The one really big "gotcha" is either appendix carry or very forward-and-barrel-down crossdraw. No room for mistakes there...appendix carry lines the barrel up smack on your femoral artery. No room for mistakes there.
Another one that's hit a few people is getting one of those plastic string-tie "barrels" found on FBI windbreakers and the like into a triggerguard on re-holstering. THAT can crank one off!
Fortunately most of these "bullet skims the outside of the leg" accidents are relatively mild as gunshot wounds go. The one really big "gotcha" is either appendix carry or very forward-and-barrel-down crossdraw. No room for mistakes there...appendix carry lines the barrel up smack on your femoral artery. No room for mistakes there.
I've been a committed Bullseye shooter since the time I competed in matches while stationed in the Air Force in the early sixties. I have used a trigger shoe on a couple of pistols over the years and I wasn't (and am not) an "accident waiting to happen" and I strongly resent the notion that you are going to "draw the line" for me. Just because some people don't use common sense when handling a firearm nor heed the holster manufacturers' warnings to not use a holster with a handgun with a trigger shoe attached doesn't mean that everyone (save yourself, apparently) doesn't.
Hmm...Like Grant D, that presumptuous, insulting and condescending practice wouldn't sit very well with me. Not very well at all.
OldMarksman
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The comment was, trigger shoes are an accident waiting to happen.
I happen to agree.
Regarding the practice of removing them, no one knows whether an informed owner will be the only one in control of a firearm after it leaves the shop, or whether the firearm will be put into a holster by someone else.
Well, let's see. The proprietor could ask the "informed owner" if he planned on letting someone else cram a pistol with a trigger shoe attached into a holster. I guess he could also ask the "informed owner" if he planned on sticking up a Seven Eleven with the pistol being returned. If the "informed owner" replied to either query in the affirmative, said proprietor could then dutifully remove the offending trigger shoe. Of course, he could never know if the "informed owner" was lying, so best remove the shoe "just in case".
If a person does not adhere to safe gun handling procedures or practice common sense, most anything firearm-related could be an "accident waiting to happen", including Glock triggers, two-position safeties on bolt-action rifles that lock the bolt closed when on "safe", single-action revolvers without transfer bars and 1911 pistols carried "cocked and locked". Why should responsible shooters be lumped in with the irresponsible oafs? Where does it end?