Ammo prices
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Don Glock said:
Copper has been rising for the last almost 3 years. Sub $1.50 lb to over $4.00
Lead also seems to have gone up, sub $0.50 to over $1.00
Transportation, read, diesel also way up over the last 3 years It can go up in the summer and down in the winter, but if it keeps going up more than it comes down your get this. Call it $2.40 up to $3.90 over the last almost years.
These are charts I found with quick google searches to backup the fact that commodities are indeed all up from where they were 3 year ago. I work in manufacturing and raw material costs of metals, and transportation, are all up from where I was paying in 2008.
No disrespect Don, and I mean that cause I have not to my knowledge responded to a comment by you, but the facts that I can readily find just aren't matching up with your statements.
As for my local Wal-Marts, I just noticed checking out one that I don't normally go by that they had raised the 100ct WWB 9mm to $24.95, up $2.00 from what they had been. I thought it might be a regional thing, which is pretty common, but the one by my work had raised its prices as well.
The Consumer Price Index - Urban has gone up 4-5% in the last year.
Supply & Demand based on too many dollars chasing too-few goods in the great Obama Run of '09. Later in '10 things quited down. The ammo distributors TOLD US the prices were going up Spring/Summer '11. HELLO!
Supply & Demand based on too many dollars chasing too-few goods in the great Obama Run of '09. Later in '10 things quited down. The ammo distributors TOLD US the prices were going up Spring/Summer '11. HELLO!
good. you found some charts.
bad. you missed the point.
notice how it constantly fluctuates up and down? it's not at an all time high like gold/silver, nor has it been consistently going up.
notice also your lead chart shows it's gown down in value since '07.
fact is, ammo prices have been going up for decades faster than inflation, and the price of components. why? the big three i mentioned earlier
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Don Glock said:
Well if you move the point, I'm always gonna miss it. Your original quoted contention was that raw materials, name by you as lead and copper, had
I simply showed that over a period of time, approx the last 3 years, those materials have shown 100%+ increases. I also included the transportation costs, diesel, which are increases at near all time highs. That is hardly stable by any definition of the word.
Saying that well, they used to be higher and they change all the time isn't gonna cut it. And with regards to inflation, Gold needs to go up an additional approx 50% as of July 1 spot $1487 to reach the 1980's adjusted high of around $2200, depending on what metric you adjust for inflation. Silver has even more work to do, July 1 spot $34, 1980's adjusted high, around $100.
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LOL, I was hoarding, before hoarding was cool. Now I laugh, I laugh at you all.
I should have stocked up when 9mm was in the $6 range, but I'm well stocked in the $8 range. I should have done that with .38s too.
But, TBS, I'm well stocked with GDHP 124g 9mm +Ps (2000+) at $12.50 a box/50 to may front door, but now I have less than 1K of GDHPs in .38 135g+Ps short barrel's at $15 a box/50.
But, I degrease.
I should have stocked up when 9mm was in the $6 range, but I'm well stocked in the $8 range. I should have done that with .38s too.
But, TBS, I'm well stocked with GDHP 124g 9mm +Ps (2000+) at $12.50 a box/50 to may front door, but now I have less than 1K of GDHPs in .38 135g+Ps short barrel's at $15 a box/50.
But, I degrease.
L_Killkenny
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Don it is you that is missing the point. No one is saying they aren't greedy. Hell, I'm greedy, you're greedy, we're all greedy. Bet you've never turned down a raise in your life and most likely you've complained to drinkin buddies about how little you make and maybe even quit one job for another for better pay or benefits.
Also, as stated, there is no gouging. No one is forcing you to buy their ammo. There is no natural disaster that demands that you have their ammo and it's not like they are danging it in front of you in the middle of a fire fight saying pay me more and you can have some.
But the main point is the business aspect. You pointed out there are 3 big makers and you seem to think they are colluding. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But what about the handful of smaller ammo companies and the over sea's ammo still hitting are shores? Are they in on it too? What about the 100's if not 1000's of makers of remanufactured (i.e. reloaded) ammo around the country? What about the fact that if you're so smart and think you can sell ammo cheaper and still make money why are you not starting a business?
And as far as I know and please correct me if I'm wrong, at least one of the companies is publicly traded. Meaning if you think they are making money hand over fist you can buy in and get in on the gravy with nothing more than a call to a broker.
This is America and if someone wants to charge X for their product they can and believe it or not you have loads of options.
LK
Also, as stated, there is no gouging. No one is forcing you to buy their ammo. There is no natural disaster that demands that you have their ammo and it's not like they are danging it in front of you in the middle of a fire fight saying pay me more and you can have some.
But the main point is the business aspect. You pointed out there are 3 big makers and you seem to think they are colluding. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But what about the handful of smaller ammo companies and the over sea's ammo still hitting are shores? Are they in on it too? What about the 100's if not 1000's of makers of remanufactured (i.e. reloaded) ammo around the country? What about the fact that if you're so smart and think you can sell ammo cheaper and still make money why are you not starting a business?
And as far as I know and please correct me if I'm wrong, at least one of the companies is publicly traded. Meaning if you think they are making money hand over fist you can buy in and get in on the gravy with nothing more than a call to a broker.
This is America and if someone wants to charge X for their product they can and believe it or not you have loads of options.
LK
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Stressfire
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Some calibers are different than others, as I sated b4, WWB in my area is up to $23 for 100 rds of 9mm. However, .223 is about $10 for 20, and .30 Carbine is about $30 for a 50 box. demand for certain types in certain areas.
Above applied to Wally World only. At last trip to local LGS a 50 box of .380 auto was $45! I was hoping he had it priced wrong but never asked as I don't have a .380
@Gehrhard: Does Wally World accept Euros?
Above applied to Wally World only. At last trip to local LGS a 50 box of .380 auto was $45! I was hoping he had it priced wrong but never asked as I don't have a .380
@Gehrhard: Does Wally World accept Euros?
everything shows a 100% increase sooner or later. silver being the most stable precious metal, it generally fluctuates the least, although right now it's at an all time 30 year high as far as value.
relatively stable doesn't mean the price has remained the same as far as copper. these metals always fluctuate in value, and companies can sieve the current values opportunity to increase prices--and keep those prices high even once the value dips back down, which it will indeed eventually do.
With the never ending cycle of price increases, I am glad I decided quite a while back to start reloading. That is not to say that during a period right after the election the price of components went up considerably (if you could get them---primers in particular), but now the prices have come down and stabilized, and make it much more affardable to shoot vice store bought ammo.
Ammo Foreign Exchange Primer
Stress;
I don't know if Wally World accepts Euros. But for the benefit of those who don't have a clue about currency exchanges like you and I, let me explain as simply as I can before someone is confused. [That is pronounced "PRIM_er"].
As you know, Stress, Wally World PAYS for their goods in Euros. When the US dollar was equal to the Euro and they bought a box of WWB 9mm made in the Czech Republic it might cost them 7 Euros. They would go to the bank and pay the equivalent $7 for a check to be sent for 7 Euros. But what happened when the US dollar went down relative to the Euro by half?
Then it took TWO DOLLARS to be the equivalent of every Euro. When the bill comes from the Czech Republic for 7-Euros, Wally World will go to the bank and pay $14 for the same 7-Euro check to be paid. And the evil capitalist private-jet flying corporate suit type pass the expense to the unwashed masses.
This too has been going on. The Administration has seen our economy driven into the ground vs. the globe's and is only as good as it is, if you can say that, because the world economy is in tumult too.
Stress;
I don't know if Wally World accepts Euros. But for the benefit of those who don't have a clue about currency exchanges like you and I, let me explain as simply as I can before someone is confused. [That is pronounced "PRIM_er"].
As you know, Stress, Wally World PAYS for their goods in Euros. When the US dollar was equal to the Euro and they bought a box of WWB 9mm made in the Czech Republic it might cost them 7 Euros. They would go to the bank and pay the equivalent $7 for a check to be sent for 7 Euros. But what happened when the US dollar went down relative to the Euro by half?
Then it took TWO DOLLARS to be the equivalent of every Euro. When the bill comes from the Czech Republic for 7-Euros, Wally World will go to the bank and pay $14 for the same 7-Euro check to be paid. And the evil capitalist private-jet flying corporate suit type pass the expense to the unwashed masses.
This too has been going on. The Administration has seen our economy driven into the ground vs. the globe's and is only as good as it is, if you can say that, because the world economy is in tumult too.
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Collusion is illegal. For the sake of those companies, I hope they weren't stupid enough to get together and plan to increase prices.
I doubt they're that stupid, probably just commodity price increases hitting them all at once. That, combined with the dramatic devaluation if the dollar driven by current economic policies.
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