Insaneranger has a good handle on the situation. If ammo prices do go up that much it is another great reason to start reloading. At todays prices, if i didn't reload I couldn't shoot near as much as I do. Even with primer, powder and bullet prices increasing over the last two years, it is still way cheaper if you reload.
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jason_iowa
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Republicans don't seem to have a contender for pres. Obama is not nearly as anti gun as some like to say. Dems in general are not as anti gun as some like to say. Our dem governor was endorsed by the NRA and he got beat out by a guy who was a bad Gov the first time we had him in office. I disagree that the dems will lose congressional seats. I think its likely to swing back the other way. Obama has better things to do. They had the perfect opportunity to go after high cap mags when congress woman Giffords was shot and they did not. I heard a lot about how ammo was to cheap after that and people in the popular media saying it should be taxed more. Perfect opportunity and it never happened.
So material costs spiking is the only thing I'm worried about. To be honest I don't have the first clue what goes into primers and powder. My contention was that it was a sales tactic and not a true market indicator but I don't reload so I don't keep up on component costs.
So material costs spiking is the only thing I'm worried about. To be honest I don't have the first clue what goes into primers and powder. My contention was that it was a sales tactic and not a true market indicator but I don't reload so I don't keep up on component costs.
jason_iowa
Republicans don't seem to have a contender for pres.
I agree that the field is 'relatively' weak--Yet I would take anyone instead of BHO and yes I do mean that literally.
Obama is not nearly as anti gun as some like to say.
With all due respect, are you kidding me...? I almost lost my breakfast with that comment (please advise if you would like elaboration).
Dems in general are not as anti gun as some like to say.
Agreed if we are talking, for example, about 'some' Southern Dems (however, remember that Al "I founded the Internet" Gore lost his own State of TN. because he was/is anti-Second Amendment. Imagine, if you will, had Al Gore won that election what impact it would have had on our cherished Second Amendment Constitutional rights...?
They had the perfect opportunity to go after high cap mags when congress woman Giffords was shot and they did not.
Wrong--They did not have enough votes to get the bill out of the House or they would have indeed as you mentioned tried to pass gun legislation. Here is their current game plan--Precisely because they cannot get gun-control through Congress due to stringent Republican opposition, BHO (provided he wins re-election) will use the back-door approach by appointing yet another LIBERAL SC Justice to the bench whereby they will then have enough votes (5-4 majority ruling) to overturn the Second Amendment as we know it--Keep in mind that it is inevitable that one of the SC Justices will either retire due to age/ill-health or at this point even expire while on the bench sometime in the next five years (have a look at the health/age of some of them).
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jason_iowa
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I would love to hear some specifics on Obamas anti gun tendencies because in oh 7 or 8 years of following him I have never seen him push anti gun legislation. I have seen the administration do some pretty lame things however.
You would cry if you saw all the things we left or destroyed in iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. I know I did.
You would cry if you saw all the things we left or destroyed in iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. I know I did.
jason_iowa
I would love to hear some specifics on Obamas anti-gun tendencies because in oh 7 or 8 years of following him I have never seen him push anti gun legislation. I have seen the administration do some pretty lame things however.
Here's a look at his anti-gun record even before he became President (keep in mind that he just hasn't had the necessary votes to pass any anti-gun legislation in the three years in the Oval Office--He also appointed the most anti-gun AG the U.S. has ever seen in Holder):
http://www.nraila.org/obama/
You would cry if you saw all the things we left or destroyed in iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. I know I did.
What in the heck does that have to do with BHO anti-gun positions?
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Nothing. Just that every administration does crappy stuff.
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Many of the facts there are quite misleading and some are outright falsehoods. Voting on a bill is not proof of ideology. I have voted for many people who's ideology I did not accept as a whole. Bills are often the same way with stuff tagged onto bills that have to be voted for. We all know I L is backwards on many gun issues. Cook county especially.
Political associations was listed as a reason too. That's crap most of my associations have little or no effect on my ideology.
Not supporting SC judges? I'm sure there were many reasons for that.
So when Obama tells me he supports my second amendment rights and he has told me that. In speeches not personally, I take him at his word. If he tried to pass any legislation that I did not agree with I would fight like heck to make sure it did not pass.
Bottom line for me is he does not care enough to make it an issue. It was never part of his agenda and I feel that we are pretty safe regardless of who is in the white house for the foreseeable future. To many pro gun dems and not enough anti gun republicans although there are more and more all the time.
I have plenty of good reasons not to vote for Obama. 2ed amendment issues are not any of them.
Political associations was listed as a reason too. That's crap most of my associations have little or no effect on my ideology.
Not supporting SC judges? I'm sure there were many reasons for that.
So when Obama tells me he supports my second amendment rights and he has told me that. In speeches not personally, I take him at his word. If he tried to pass any legislation that I did not agree with I would fight like heck to make sure it did not pass.
Bottom line for me is he does not care enough to make it an issue. It was never part of his agenda and I feel that we are pretty safe regardless of who is in the white house for the foreseeable future. To many pro gun dems and not enough anti gun republicans although there are more and more all the time.
I have plenty of good reasons not to vote for Obama. 2ed amendment issues are not any of them.
Back to the original question....
I'm a reloader - so I'm not buying any retail ammo - and component costs are down over the last year or so ...and pretty steady in my area / so no, in general, the cost of primers, powder and bullets - have been pretty steady for the last year or so.
Do I expect an increase next year -- it wouldn't surprise me honestly.
In handgun ammo reloads ...and in retail ammo ...75% of the cost is in the bullet itself vs primers, cases and powder ....so the cost of bullets is what I really watch ( Montana Gold is my primary bullet ) and they've been real competitive vs a lot of other mfg's - where I have seen some big increases even in bulk buys of 50 - 100K.
I'm a reloader - so I'm not buying any retail ammo - and component costs are down over the last year or so ...and pretty steady in my area / so no, in general, the cost of primers, powder and bullets - have been pretty steady for the last year or so.
Do I expect an increase next year -- it wouldn't surprise me honestly.
In handgun ammo reloads ...and in retail ammo ...75% of the cost is in the bullet itself vs primers, cases and powder ....so the cost of bullets is what I really watch ( Montana Gold is my primary bullet ) and they've been real competitive vs a lot of other mfg's - where I have seen some big increases even in bulk buys of 50 - 100K.
jason_iowa
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Haha its all good. I'm sure we agree on as much stuff as we disagree on.
I did not realize the bullets were so costly. I have a burm with a couple hundred thousand rounds in it if you wanna come pan for lead.
I did not realize the bullets were so costly. I have a burm with a couple hundred thousand rounds in it if you wanna come pan for lead.
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No, I don't cast my own -- but thanks...
Yes, in shotshells - the lead makes up a little over 50% of the cost of a shell...and in handguns its higher..../ but if I were to cast my own lead ...and shoot unjacketed bullets...it would be way cheaper ...but my local indoor ranges do not allow unjacketed ammo ( too much smoke indoors ).
Yes, in shotshells - the lead makes up a little over 50% of the cost of a shell...and in handguns its higher..../ but if I were to cast my own lead ...and shoot unjacketed bullets...it would be way cheaper ...but my local indoor ranges do not allow unjacketed ammo ( too much smoke indoors ).