Amazing!

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An anti like him that turns can be a good ally. Imagine how many people he will tell his story to.
"Yeah, I used to be against guns, but that was until...."

I would vote for being patient and working with him. Get him to buy a case of ammo and go through it (at close range) in a month. Maybe get him a good book that addresses gun ownership and the Second Amendment. Sneak in a little RKBA education with his shooting experience and he might turn out to be a rabid pro-gunner.
 
You guys are right. I can suck up my pride and help the jerk out. I won't sponser him into the club we went to only because it's centered towards trap shooting. The shortest pistol range is 25 yards.

I will talk to him after work today and see if he's interested in going to one of my other clubs which has 7 yard pistol ranges. I'll treat him like I do with women. Meaning, I'll start him on my low-power firearms, proper stance, grip, etc. I'll give him my good muffs to wear.

The only reason I can suck up my pride to this degree is for the benefit of the 2nd. If I can convert this assh*le to be pro-gun, he'd be a valuable ally (being a lawyer). I've asked many of my no-so-redneckish-friends to help out. This is basically just to show him that not all hunters and gun lovers fall into the "redneck stereotype".

I also explained to him this morning about him being ripped off and apologize for not saying something sooner. Damn, it was hard to do! Since I'm working close to Lancaster today, he and I are going to the gunshop during our lunch break.

I never would have believed I would be spending lunch break with this guy a month ago. Thanks everybody for your input. Wish me luck with helping out my neighbor and mainly helping out all of us with RKBA.
 
You're doing a service to RKBA, Svt. Good Job!

When we help a lost soul move away from the Dark Side, we help our cause greatly. I'm glad you're taking the time to help educate this guy "the right way."

BTW, your lawyer neighbor has probably thought the same of you, as you thought of him. He's reaching out, which wasn't easy I'm sure. Glad you are doing the same. Some just talk the talk of taking the high road, you're walking the walk.

Thanks.


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Svt...

Have him put his money where his mouth is. I'd make your sponsorship of him conditional on his membership into the NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF, and any other organization you see fit. Upon showing you his credentials for these orgs, go ahead and let him in.
 
Well, Larry (that's his name) and I went to the gun shop. I proceeded to ream them a new hole about ripping Larry off. The owner didn't know what to say. He said, "I'll look into this." I think the jerk's shop has ripped many people off with their shady business.

I took off a few hours early and he and I went to my other club. I let him shoot my Taurus .38 special at 7 yards. He didn't do too badly. Other then limp wrist and shaky trigger squeezes.

He then shot my Kel-Tec P32. Finally, he wanted to shoot my Wilson. I told him about the harder kick. Still, he wanted to shoot it. I don't think he'll shoot a .45 for awhile. All in all, I let him shoot about 400 of my ammo grrrrr

He's not that bad of a person to be honest. I kept on trying to inform him of how guns don't kill people. How knives don't kill people. How inanimate objects don't kill people. People kill people. For once, he seemed to listen. Maybe it was because he enjoyed shooting the .38. Maybe because he pulled the butt-plug out of his ass. Either way, I decided to go with him to the firearm safety course...

He liked the range a lot and wanted to join because it has the 7-yard range. I told him that in order to be a member, he needs to join the NRA. Ok, so it's a little white lie. However, he didn't have any problems with that. Once I see his NRA card, I'll sponsor him.

BTW, the next we go to the range, Saturday, he wants me to bring my Barret (worried now) and AR's.
 
I almost forgot to add, he told a bunch of his lawyer friends about his recent firearms experience. It surpised me because he was being verbal about everything! To keep this posting short, Saturday, I won't be taking just Larry to the range, I'm taking 4 other lawyers. There goes all my .38, .32 and 9 mm loads! What am I getting myself into? 5 lawyers on a Saturday?????????

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Shark infested waters.

This would be an excellent opportunity to convey the factual reasoning behind gun ownership to those who are neutral or anti. Maybe you should bring pro-gun friend or two as backup in case you find yourself being argued into a corner by four spin doctors of law.

- Ron V.
 
Its great that you are willing to work with your neighbor and his friends! Regardless of what you may think of them personally, give them a "good" introduction to firearms. I believe that most antis are merely ignorant about and completely inexperienced with firearms. Change that, and you may well change them from antis to pros. Funny... I guesse that you could be a pro gun liberal... ;)

Erik
 
While I think it's grand your neighbor has taken to the RKBA, I would still be suspicious of his earlier thoughts, and education, to slant toward the elitist ranks now. He needs to protect himself from the decadence of our society, but still believes that you and I should remain defenseless from the same people he fears.

Just my 0.10 worth.

Best Regards,
Don

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SVT!! HEY!
Get THEM to pay for the ammo they shoot!
Better yet get them to buy their ammo ahead of time.

That's what I do when I bring a newbie to the range. Not kidding. Your time is one thing, but ammo costs money! If I was bringing 5 to the range I'd try to squeeze lunch and dinner out of them, too.

Some other thoughts from when I bring newbies to the range:
-If there are a bunch of them bring some good help to watch them. Don't get all 5 shooting at the same time. Not only that, it's tough to grow eyes in the back of your head. Once I was at the range and this newbie picks up one of my .223 rifles and I asked him not to handle it without getting my permission/attention. So I turn to get something out of my car and I hear one of my 20 rounders getting inserted into the same rifle by the same newbie. I turn around and start hollering at him in my best DI imitation. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Turns out he wanted to get a picture of someone holding it with a mag inserted to make it look cool but his picture hobby was prioritized ahead of his safety/courtesy.

Groups are tough to coordinate. Setup a drop-dead time to get started if some of them are late

Have a safety lecture first. I'm sure you already know this. A dummy gun is good to have for demonstrating good/bad handling.

With newbies, get them manipulating in SLOW motion. Do everything slow and deliberate. Newbies often want to look like they know what they're doing and go for warp speed. Until they get their handling down, warp speed is a recipe for disaster. These ARE lawyers you said?? "Slow to 0.001% impulse, Mr Sulu"

Hope that helps.

Edmund
 
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To keep this posting short, Saturday, I won't be taking just Larry to the range, I'm taking 4 other lawyers.
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In that case I sure wouldn't want to be the guy that bumps into the rear of your car at a red light .



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What Edmund said.

They are lawyers, they can afford the ammo. Heck, they should be picking up your ammo tab as well as a courtesy for your time and using your firearms.

Anyhow, get them some snap caps and teach them about trigger pull, range safety, and all the rest. Make sure that they can safely assemble, disassemble, and load the weapons before you even go to the ranges. Teach them the 3 rules. *ALL* of this stuff can be done safely at the home before you even go to the range.

When they've learned how not to kill themselves, range safety, proper form, *then* take them to the range. They are lawyers, they should be able to grasp the concepts, right? Anyone that refuses to learn the right way, leave them behind. Impress upon them that this isn't a game, etc.

Lots of good advice here...

Spark

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5 lawyers in one day---that might be like spending 2 minutes on the HCI website--hard to take. Good luck. By the way, have them buy the ammo and how to clean your weapons.

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Heck, you've got a .22 handgun, don't you?
Take him to the range, set the targets back 7yd.s and teach him to shoot with the .22LR.
Sure, a full-size 9mm is plenty controllable, but not for a newbie.
Once he gets the hang of sight picture/trigger control, graduate him to the 9mm.
$.02, -Kframe
 
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