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On Tuesday the 14th, there was a shooting incident in downtown Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Four robbery suspects shot two female bystanders and the officer in pursuit. This incident happened during lunch hour by the County Courthouse.

A week ago, I was loading my rifle case (contained my AR-15) and range bag into my Jeep Cherokee. My small-minded neighbor (who's a lawyer) was giving me a rash of sh*t for going to the range with my firearms. He kept saying that guns are only good for crime and killing innocent children in Colorado, etc etc.

Low and behold, he stopped over my house today (with a bright red face I may add) and asked me how to work his brand new Beretta M9. It seemed the shooting at the court house scared him. I asked him what he intended to use the pistol for and he responded "I'm getting my carry permit and this is my carry gun. I'm not going get shot by some punk in Lancaster!"

Well, one of the shmucks at the local gunshop told him the full-size Beretta was the ideal carry gun!! Anyways, I told him not to even consider chambering any rounds through it until he gets some proper firearms safety training.

I am still in utter amazement how he went from a small-minded anti-gunner to a new firearms owner. As much as I wanted to laugh at him, I smiled and gave him some numbers to training centers and offered him my help at anytime. :D There is hope for the Rosie's out there!

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Svt
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Must complicate life to have the on/off switch for your brain wired to operate only on tragedy. But it's better than nothing.
 
I'd say your attorney-neighbor is the schmuck. While we can all be glad the guy finally came around, I have no respect for the 'intelligence' of such fools.

He deserves to drop a few extra bucks to atone for his treatment of you, Svt.
 
I think someone once said " Many conservatives are liberals that have been mugged " .

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Please offer to take him with you to the Range as MUCH as possible !
Really don't need somebody running around with a gun thinking they're Batt Masterson after completing a 6hr course. ;)

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Well I took him to the range today. Needless to say, he can't shoot for sh!t. He's attending a firearms safety course on Wednesday.

I loaded one round in his Beretta. He must have shot it 5 yards short of the 25 yard target. The recoil scared the dickens out of him. The look in his eyes scared me. It's bad enough we have lawyers running around, now I have a next door neighbor who is a lawyer WITH A GUN. :eek: He wants to join the same club as me. Since it's a private club, I have to sponser him in. Damn, I don't want the SOB in the club. How can I tell him nicely and not turn him away from firearms?

Trust me Jeff, I laughed VERY VERY hard when he left for being such a Shmuck!! He also was talked into buying 3 hi-cap mags LMAO!!! All these high glitz bells and whistles and no pistol cleaning kit. Oh well, that's what he gets for using the 2nd Amend. when it suited him.
 
I think it was around 35 years ago that the saying came about: "A Law and Order freak is a Liberal who's been mugged."

Yeah, take him to the range. Save your own life, that way.

:), Art
 
You don't start newbies at 25 yards.

Start them at a distance where they can
get a reasonable COM hit and build confidence.

Art - remember the second part:

A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.

Double edged sword, dude.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He wants to join the same club as me. Since it's a private
club, I have to sponser him in. Damn, I don't want the SOB in the
club. How can I tell him nicely and not turn him away from firearms?[/quote]

This will take some effort: Tell him you aren't sure you should sponsor him..tell why, that RKBA is obviously a "convenience" to him. Make him remember the rash he used to give you, etc.
You know him best, so take it as far as you think you can without turning him off....but he should be made to be known that he "turned" cuz he's a cowardly, greed head yuppie; and that once he feels safe again, he turn back.


However, thats how I am....I believe in punishment and humiliation.....and knee crackin' :D

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Yes, he's a jerk. THIS is what I wish I could get across to gun bigots--that their views on gun ownership are likely to change when it's nearly too late, and that if they get rid of guns now they'll wish they hadn't. Just like all the trendy folks out in L.A. who ended up sorta regretting the waiting periods that they had probably voted for.

About the gun club, just tell him politely that you never sponsor anyone until you've helped them reach the point that they can operate the firearm safely. Make it sound benign like that, and the lawyer in him will probably understand. It would be bad to have him turn away from guns, but at least then he's the only one to get hurt. If he's this immature (I hate guns!/no wait, now I want one! A big one!) and can't shoot safely he could hurt others.
Also, Glen is right. Start him out at 3, if you have to. If he objects, simply tell him that that is where he's most likely to have to use the weapon, so that's where the best gunfighters start out. It's even true for most of them.
 
Heck, I started my wife at 5 feet, and she got all 13 rounds on target (9mm). Her next try at 10 feet, she shot 5 rounds into a 4 inch circle, center of mass. Can't ask for much more than that.

Scared the S(*T out of her, but it showed us that she could hit the target if she had to.

I like Gwinnys idea about politely deferring any decision. Hey, who knows after he actually learns how to use the firearm, and practices it, maybe he wont be such a shmuck after all.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Svt:
Well I took him to the range today. Needless to say, he can't shoot for sh!t. He's attending a firearms safety course on Wednesday.
I loaded one round in his Beretta. He must have shot it 5 yards short of the 25 yard target. The recoil scared the dickens out of him. [/quote]

In Uncle Sams Army we started learning about the 1911 with no rounds . Just dry fire . This taught us to concentrate on squeezing the trigger without anticipating the recoil . Maybe if you did this with him he would be more comfortable . Just a suggestion .



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Not to disagree with anyone who might pose a hazard to my already-traumatized knees, but the possibility exists that your neighbor MIGHT become a good advocate IF he is serious about converting.
Some people are naturals with firearms-most arent. Tell him that if he gets his attitude right(DC could explain)and practices a lot you could possibly recommend him for membership. It all depends and you know the guy. It might be a waste.

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i'm in agreement with gwinny also, in as far as this may sound pc, but by saying that lawyer needs to become proficient and be able to comfortably handle a firearm before he can be considered for membership will do one of several things:
he'll be forced to get training, and read up on firearms, so he'll know what they are capable of and what he is capable or doing,
or he'll never fire more than a few boxes of ammo through his gun, and he'll either stop considering carring, or worse, he'll still be incompetant, but he'll think that he is capable of doing a "i'll just pull this gun out and shoot in the direction of that bad guy, and ... oops, i didn't mean to hit you, innocent bystander, i'm sorry".

unfortunately, most people tend to be antigun, until something scares them enough for them to change their minds, but usually only for a while. before LA went up in flames a few years back, there was a lot of firearm restrictions going up at that time. lo and behold, when the riots started, guess who tried to get firearms to defend themselves, but couldn't, because of a 21 day waiting period that was in effect at the time. suddenly people that were antigun wanted one.
now days, it seems that most people have forgotten what happened, and even though some of these people still have thier firearms put away, they're the same people actively or passively, advocating stricter controls.....
 
Be patient with the man. This isn't a battle of individual pride. It's a battle for a Nation. Teach him as good as you can and turn him into a friend of the Second. This is a noble project. Help him to become profeciant with his weapon and sponsor him in your gun club. By influencing him you will influence his friends and associates.
Good luck.
 
Exactly.
It doesnt matter if he is a jerk.
Get over it.
If you cant teach him - find a good instructor and have the instructor call him, or meet him at the range. Go ahead and sponser him in. Doesnt matter who or what he is - get him in.
If you dont the jerk could be on your side of the fence. Take the high road. Show him some other guns as well - I dont think he needs a 92F for a ccw carry. I would like to talk to that gun store owner and ask him WTF is up with that!
Gun is 2nd issue - 1st is his wanting to learn now. Take him all the way.

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I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some
moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away!
 
ABout 15 years ago, a woman that knew myself and wife socially approached me and asked if I could teach her to shoot. She had been raped.

After some reflection and consulting with a psychologist that I knew,and that knew the woman, I consented.BTW, said shrink was a WWII combat vet and gun owner.

Did things a little differently than usual with rookies. Instead of a 22 and a bull, I showed her how to safely operate a 38 revolver, and loaded it up with something with a bit of kick. Then we used a B-27 target at about 10 feet. She worked through some rage and learned to shoot well while putting her life back together.

Someplace along there she joined a victim's support group,and she mentioned that I was willing to teach people to shoot and was a certified instructor. Over a period of 3-4 years, another 4 women called me and wanted to learn,all from the group. Ages ran from mid 20s- to 50ish.

To shorten this, all learned to shoot at least as well as new officers at work. They were motivated, and none had any experience with arms prior to the crime that entered their life.

We kept in touch for a few years. I had asked them to inform me if there were any incidents where the guns and training paid off, or failed to do so.

One had to display a weapon to a date that forgot what no meant. Another heard glass breaking and went to her bedroom where she armed herself behind a locked door, announcing same as she dialled 911. The foosteps that approached her door left abruptly.

All 5 women were of the belief that if they had been not only armed but trained prior to the rapes,, the terrible things that had happened,wouldn't have.
 
"The recoil scared the dickens out of him."

Sure it wasn't the BIG BANG & the recoil ?
Get him to wear BOTH ear plugs & muffs...
Should help the "oh crap" reflex ;)
Definately get him started off at around 5 yards & if he still can't group around 6", tell him he just qualified to join the Police Force with his score! ;)
Nothin' like a bit of humour to soften the blow of saying "You can't shoot fer shinola" :D

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