Am I Wrong About Glocks?

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Drakejake

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I am aware that Glock pistols have a tremendous following and have been a great success in the marketplace. I don't own one and haven't even fired one, but I keep on reading about them and looking at them.

I have considered various models in 9 MM and 45 ACP. The G21 appeals to me a bit, but I am put off by having to pay $75-100 for used pre-ban mags which don't have a very good rep for reliability to start with. The G30 just doesn't feel comfortable in my hand. The G36 has a slightly narrower grip but cuts you down to a 6 round mag. The G26 allows only two fingers on its very short grip.

At a gun shop yesterday I pulled the trigger on a Glock for the first time. This trigger was totally different from that on any other auto I have ever fired. Very short and very light. I can understand why these triggers allow great accuracy, but I just wouldn't feel safe carrying one of these around with me with a round in the chamber. The combination of fat grips, expensive pre-ban mags, hair triggers, and no manual safety continue to hold me back from buying a Glock. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Drakejake
 
I'm sure you're not the only one who are not interested in glocks,which glock did you dryfire?,tigger pulls differ depending on the model,was it new or used as the trigger might have been lighted by the previous owner.BTW i own a G-17 and G-26 both with 5.5 pound triggers,i don't worry about AD's anymore than when i carried a cocked/locked colt 45.
 
When Glock owners complain about, for instance, having to spend $75 for 3 extra rounds on a 23 magazine, I always laugh... I have to spend $50 for a 10 round magazine for my HK USP45!!! I'm sure that if a 12 rounder existed, it would be substantially over $100. Hey at least you guys can pick up the neutered mags for $15 - $20 !

Glock trigger pulls are very adjustable, from 3.5lbs to infinity (or at least 18 pounds) using bar and spring combinations like the New York, New York Plus, Plus Plus, ad nauseum...

And if it's a safety you need to make you feel better about your Glock, then by all means, check out the "Safe-T-Block" http://members.aol.com/saftblok/ . Most Glock owners :rolleyes: or :barf: when you mention them, but then again, most Glock owners will do that about almost anything they don't agree with... ;) So if it makes you feel better about owning/carrying a Glock, then BY ALL MEANS, DO IT!

Good luck!
 
Yes, you are. Now that that's settled, let me just go back and read what you think on the subject..... ;)

Seriously, I like my new Glock 30, though I got it more because I wanted a dependable .45 in that size than because of any great love for Glocks. I carry in Illinois, which means I have to carry in a fanny pack or case with the gun unloaded to be legal. Obviously, a safety doesn't do a lot of good in that situation. If I could carry in a holster, though, I'd carry with a chambered round as long as I had a quality holster that protects the trigger. I've carried a DA revolver and a SIG this way and found it didn't worry me much. I wouldn't want to carry with a round chambered loose in the fanny pack, of course, or "Mexican."

There's also a company that will add a safety for $75, but if you really want a manual safety Glock probably just doesn't fit your taste. No shame in that--you might want a CZ-75 compact, or a USP compact, etc.

Here's the company that adds safeties to Glocks:
http://www.cominolli.com/glocksafety.htm

And the thread where Glocktalk discussed it for two pages: :D
http://glocktalk.com/docs/gtubb/Forum3/HTML/015034.html
 
Onslaught...I do believe a 12 round does exist, at least it does with the a used USP .45 my dealer has in his cabinet.

It is a stainless model, but it looks like one that had been put away for a while. It had a small rust spot on the barrel crown. He wanted 700 clams for it so I had to pass it up.

It does suck that HK wants to much for it's magazines. Why Glock can make them so cheap and sell them reasonable, but HK wants to keep it a dealer only item high price magazine beats me. It would seem like they would be happier selling more magazine and increasing the popularity of its weapons.

Good Shooting
RED
 
Let's see...

Yes, you are wrong about Glocks. :)

I've never heard that factory Glock magazines are unreliable, except perhaps the Clintonized 10 round magazines for newer guns. I have four Glocks, and the only magazines I've ever had a problem with are the 10 round ones for the Glock 17. All the full capacity magazines for Glocks seem to work just fine.
 
I've seen tapes where people got a gun away from someone and could not shoot them because they could not work the safety. I've also seen tapes of people who forgot to hit or missed the safety under stress and could not fire when they wanted too. Take your pick which you consider to be the most inmportant to you.

By Glocks design, yes they are a "fat" gun, but that design also allows for a very low bore axis which makes for fast follow up shots even with a relativly light gun. If the Glock fits you it's no problem, if not there are a lot of other good choices out there. Magazines are not the Glocks best point IMHO, but my Hi-caps at $70 a piece (after new springs) and ten rouders work great. I will state my opinion though that the Glock currently has the best (if not prettiest) finish on any handgun currently made.

In short I think the Glock is a great design. The Sig, Berreta 92, and 1911 are also great designs. No pistol can meet everyones need's and fit every hand, thats why they make so many types and calibers. I chose the Glock 23 and would suggest it to anyone else to try along with the above mentioned guns, then pick the one they like the best.

Regards, Blueduck

BTW,Regarding the trigger, I'm also curious if maybe you got hold of a gun with a #3.5 pound connector, these are usually used for competion not carry.
 
. The combination of fat grips, expensive pre-ban mags, hair triggers

Ok the fat grips on the 45 is an issue but Ropar can slim them down for you if you must have a 45. Preban mags thats just a fact of life deal with it or get 10rounders. Now hair triggers thats a laugh. 5.5 pounds and in reality 6 or 7 is not a hair trigger. 2.5 pounds is a hair trigger. I carry one every day no problems. Our department is issued them with no ND so far. The biggest safety is between your ears keep your finger off the trigger. Thats a rule with anygun. The glocks trigger in my oppinion is the ideal compromise between safety and hit ability. The 8lb models are too heavy I feel the 3.5 is just a touch too light.

PAT
 
I own three of them, my wife carries one. There is no way I am going to let her carry junk that just might get her killed because of unreliability!!!!! BTW, hers has the 3.5lb connector, and reduced power trigger spring. Keep yer dang finger off the durn trigger until ya gets ready to squeeze one off, and you'll be fine!!!!! Nuff said!!!!:D
 
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Drakejake, I am not a Glock fan or owner, but so many folks like them there must be something to them. I think the models 26 and 27 are great little ideas, try a magazine pinkie extension (from Pearce?) on the 26. No extra bucks for the pre-bans, size efficient package. The other problems you mentioned are discussed efficiently earlier in the thread. If you still don't like them, it is OK. I myself don't care for them, either, for several reasons, so you aren't alone.
 
....and don't worry so much about capacity. If you know you're limited to 10 rounds or less, it should behoove you to practice more and stay proficient (which should go for any carry weapon) both in your targeting as well as changing magazines. Remember, lots of stories out there where people ran it dry on 15 round mags and more because of poor form! Isn't it amazing that LEO's and civilians made it for better than 100 years with only 5 or 6 shot revolvers?
 
I own and shoot two Glocks in competition, a G35 and a G17. They are very reliable and feel fine in my hands. Even with the trigger work I've done on them, I don't think anyone would mistake them as having hair triggers!

But if you've held them and didn't like the grips, there'e no reason for you to get one. Some people like Glocks, others don't.
 
The word unreliable does not belong in the same sentence with the word Glock.
I have a few Glocks but prefer the more traditional trigger pull. If I want to shoot Glocks and be consistant, I have to stay with it a while to get back to the feel of their trigger. If I had to choose a reliable gun, to bet my life on, a Glock would be one of two makes I'd consider. H&K the other brand.
If you want a great gun with super reliabliity and cheap hi-caps...check out a CZ-75B
 
Drake,

I too am not overly impressed with Glocks. I have two: G-21 and a G-30.
I have big hands and although the G-21 fits nicely, I've found that with the G-30 if it doesn't have a "grip extender" it's a tad uncomfortable.
That being said, my G-21 tends to jam 3 out of every 100 rounds. ~750 rounds so far. Doesn't exactly make me a happy camper, though my guess is that I should detail strip it, give it a thourough cleaning and maybe just maybe follow the lubrication advice offered by Glock.
Magazines tend to be pricey and the 10-rounders only load "9" (yes, I have gone through 10 factory 10 rounders...), which doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies.
However I do have to admit that when I do fire the G-21 and it doesn't stovepipe I hit what I'm aiming at.
Never had a problem with the G-30 or the magazines.
Had the G-21 since 1994, shot it less than 1000 times. No it's not my favorite, but than again it may be operator failure, though if it is, a Browning HP, Baby Eagle, and a couple of Colt's have done fine by me!
:D

Jon
 
Hmmm...SIG,

Thought about that, been using S&B 230 grain FMJ's. Doesn't seem to hiccup when I use the Federal 230 grain Hydrashocks.
Maybe I should run some Winchester and Federal 230 grain FMJ's through her.
Finicky though if she does...

Thanks,

Jon
 
Drakejake; Let me try to be as impartial as possible. I've owned three Glock's and two were unacceptable. I never was all googly eyed or crazy about Glock's in the first place but I gave them a good shot.
My experience was albeit unusual okay? Glock's, by and large, are good solid pistols. If you want a reliable, lightweight, durable, but expensive pistol then Glock's are a solid choice. HOWEVER, you've got to be able to accept the "manual of arms" that's comes with them. They are a pistol that is basically a "holstered" pistol, period.
This means no holster-less fanny pack with a round in the chamber. No "Mexican Carry" with a round in the chamber. More than one "expert" recommends no bed side gun with a round in the chamber. This pistol is a cop gun that's sits in a rigid holster all day. Accept it's limitations and it could be the gun for you. Good Luck, J. Parker
 
Oh, one more thing. Pre-ban factory mags are the biggest rip-off in the industry. Prepare to pay a hefty price for whatever model high capacity Glock mag. Explore ALL your options because there's alot of good, solid pistols out there that are hundreds less and just as good. Simply an opinion from a previous Glock owner, J. Parker
 
solid pistols out there that are hundreds less and just as good.

That is simply not true. Glocks are relatively inexpensive at around 400 to 550. Find me a good auto for 200 bucks. Rugers p95 is ok and close to that range but by no means is it as good as a glock. ALso I carry my glock in a Galco fanny pack off duty no prm. So long as something covers the trigger guard as with all guns your ok. When you say you had two that were unacceptable by what means. I had a lemon 27 myself but the rest of mine have been good. I have seen lemon rugers, colts (lots of colts) glocks, and even a sig. If you got 2 lemons that is weird. Glocks simply have the best mouse trap going right now.
PAT
 
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