I'm not sure but this sounds like a "kinda" pregnant and "fully" pregnant thing . You are only pregnant if the baby can survive out side the whom ??? The gun is only cocked if the weapon can fire without pulling the trigger ??? Why is there a difference from partially cocked and fully cocked . Your either pregnant or your not the rest is just how the trigger mechanism works .
Am I carrying my LC9 "cocked and locked",,,
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If the hammer/striker is only partially cocked, you have to keep pulling the trigger until it comes all the way back before the hammer/Striker will drop. In the case of a LC9, that's a long way to pull the trigger before the hammer drops.
If the hammer/striker is already fully cocked, it only takes a slight tug, and the hammer/striker drops. With a "touchy" SA trigger, it fires almost instantly.
This is the proverbial "hair trigger" that was considered so dangerous.
With my LC9 it's "wait for it". With my P938 it's an instant "bang".
It's not the difference between "kinda Pregnant" and "fully pregnant". It's the difference between "3 months pregnant" and "my water just broke".
If the hammer/striker is already fully cocked, it only takes a slight tug, and the hammer/striker drops. With a "touchy" SA trigger, it fires almost instantly.
This is the proverbial "hair trigger" that was considered so dangerous.
With my LC9 it's "wait for it". With my P938 it's an instant "bang".
It's not the difference between "kinda Pregnant" and "fully pregnant". It's the difference between "3 months pregnant" and "my water just broke".
Aguila Blanca
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The Para LDAs are considered double action by most police departments, too, as well as by the IDPA and (I think) IPSC. Nonetheless, there is an internal mechanism that's "pre-cocked" by the slide, and pulling the trigger doesn't really cock the pistol, it moves the outer hammer and releases the pre-cocked inner mechanism. 1911 folks don't consider it double action, because by almost universal acceptance true double action includes second strike capability.seeker two said:
I just Googled "Double Action". The first 25 articles made no mention of "Second Strike Capability", I stopped at that point.
"Double Action" means the trigger performs TWO actions (cock, then fire) as you pull it.
"Single Action" means the trigger performs only ONE action (fires) as you pull it.
I then Googled "Second Strike Capability". The first two articles did state that it's "normally associated" with DOA pistols. However; the third article dealt with how to get "Second Strike Capability" on a "Single Action" 1911 by simply cocking the hammer with your thumb to try again.
"Double Action" means the trigger performs TWO actions (cock, then fire) as you pull it.
"Single Action" means the trigger performs only ONE action (fires) as you pull it.
I then Googled "Second Strike Capability". The first two articles did state that it's "normally associated" with DOA pistols. However; the third article dealt with how to get "Second Strike Capability" on a "Single Action" 1911 by simply cocking the hammer with your thumb to try again.
With the LC9, I suspect that the hammer is designed to be partially cocked after racking the slide to lighten the trigger pull. The trigger pull is already long and I believe Ruger's thinking is that anyone can handle a longer trigger pull, but making it light enough while keeping it reliable is what they were going for. So, Ruger did two things 1) increase leverage by making the trigger pull longer than most DAO's and 2) allowed the slide to partially cock the trigger to make the distance the hammer needs to travel shorter. Think "block and tackle" where greater distance is used to spread the force necessary to lift a heavy load.
The terminology provides only a crude description and hasn't caught up to how many of the modern pistols actually function. The terms "double action", "single action" and "double action only" are well over 30 years old and come from a time when "floppy disks" were cutting edge. The fact is that over the past 10-20 years, manufacturers have become inventive in playing with triggers, hammers and strikers to increase reliability, caryability, shorten trigger pulls and/or attempt to lighten triggers on semi-auto pistols. So, the lines have really blurred making the old terminology very dated and inaccurate.
Aguila Blanca
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Correct. And if the trigger both cocks and fires the gun, you have "second strike" capability.jnichols2 said:
With the Para LDA (and, I believe, the LC9), most of the cocking is accomplished by the slide, not by the trigger, and pulling the trigger after a first attempt to fire will NOT result in a second cocking and release of the hammer/striker. Ergo, not truly a double action, no matter how much it appears (at least in the case of the Para LDA) that the trigger "cocks" the hammer on the first try.
Don't know about the para.
The LC9 only releases the trigger block when the slide is racked. Cocking action is done by the trigger.
"Double Action" refers to the trigger performing TWO actions instead of a SINGLE action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)
A "Double Action" trigger may, or may not, have a "Second Strike" capability.
A "Single Action" trigger ALSO may, or may not, have a "Second Strike" capability.
The LC9 only releases the trigger block when the slide is racked. Cocking action is done by the trigger.
"Double Action" refers to the trigger performing TWO actions instead of a SINGLE action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)
A "Double Action" trigger may, or may not, have a "Second Strike" capability.
A "Single Action" trigger ALSO may, or may not, have a "Second Strike" capability.
As I said above:
"The LC9 only releases the trigger block when the slide is racked. Cocking action is done by the trigger."
If the trigger block isn't released, no second strike.
But the trigger still performs TWO (double) functions.
Even my SR9 performs TWO (double) functions. The slide cocks the Striker 75%, but ONE OF the trigger functions is to cock it the other 25%.
Even though I think of it as 1.25 Action, Ruger says it's Double Action.
But at any rate, the LC9 is DEFINITELY Double Action. The looong pull to cock the hammer is the biggest complaint people have.
If I haven't convinced you by now, I'll not continue trying. I think it's a matter of context as to the meaning of "double" anyway.
The LC9 is not carried "Cocked and Locked", the 1911 is. (at least by most folks)
"The LC9 only releases the trigger block when the slide is racked. Cocking action is done by the trigger."
If the trigger block isn't released, no second strike.
But the trigger still performs TWO (double) functions.
Even my SR9 performs TWO (double) functions. The slide cocks the Striker 75%, but ONE OF the trigger functions is to cock it the other 25%.
Even though I think of it as 1.25 Action, Ruger says it's Double Action.
But at any rate, the LC9 is DEFINITELY Double Action. The looong pull to cock the hammer is the biggest complaint people have.
If I haven't convinced you by now, I'll not continue trying. I think it's a matter of context as to the meaning of "double" anyway.
The LC9 is not carried "Cocked and Locked", the 1911 is. (at least by most folks)