Am I being totally off the wall?

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I got a friend that's into the "Tacticool" phase, we all have one just like him, drives the big ole jacked up Ram 2500 fat tires and a grill guard. Most of all owns an AR and thinks every thing he buys has to be tactical. And seems to think since he owns one it classifies him as a seal or something of the sort! Will make a case how why the AR is superior to every other firearm ever manufactured. My whole point to him was that in my opinion ARs don't have a purpose for civilians. They were developed for the m16 and or combat on people. To me they have no practical use but to just mess around with. And they dont dominate any shooting skill except for mag capacity. Not as accurate as a bolt, not fully auto and suited for combat and that's it. I have some screen shots of our conversation and there is some things in there that I didn't word right because I was busy so if you have any questions by what I mean then just ask!
 

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Im not sure what the point of this post is. There are plenty of legitimate civilian uses for an AR-15, one is varmint control (specifically coyotes). I own a customized car - has nothing to do with the guns I own though, besides, thats for another forum :D
 
My whole point to him was that in my opinion ARs don't have a purpose for civilians.
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You'll find many people here who disagree with that assertion.

There's really no need for all those screencaps, especially considering the violence they do to the English language. Could you perhaps sum them up in text form in consideration of members who don't have broadband?
 
I'd say that "shooting for fun" is a perfectly practical purpose for an AR. As are "burning off excess cash" or "wanting to think I look cooler than someone without as many accessories".

Saying an AR has no sporting purpose is a common "we should ban AR" claim, so I'm a little leery of it.

You could make a similar argument for an H2 or H3 having no practical purpose.
 
Tom Servo said:
You'll find many people here who disagree with that assertion.

There's really no need for all those screencaps, especially considering the violence they do to the English language. Could you perhaps sum them up in text form in consideration of members who don't have broadband?
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The violence they do to the English language is that way because it was written in a text, not for an English paper. And I will do my best.
 
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I'd say that "shooting for fun" is a perfectly practical purpose for an AR. As are "burning off excess cash" or "wanting to think I look cooler than someone without as many accessories".

Saying an AR has no sporting purpose is a common "we should ban AR" claim, so I'm a little leery of it.

You could make a similar argument for an H2 or H3 having no practical purpose.
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I LOVE ARs for the simple reason you stated. Shooting for fun. Hopefully someone found the conversation as amusing as I did. He is quite fun to mess with, and I would post the the other 3/4 of the conversation where we really get in to debatable topics but it would be forever long!
 
The beauty of the US is that one need not have a reason to own anything in particular...

"Just Cuz I Want One" is good enough for me...

Do I want a black rifle?

Not particularly...

Do I care if you want/need one?

Nope...Have at it...
 
Agree with Salmoneye.

Vanguard.223, Tom Servo's comment about the screen shots is worth a moment here ... he, nor any of us on staff, expect to see texting done in the Queen's English. I text without a QWERTY pad (6 year old phone), so you KNOW I just have to abbreviate in my texts. But, it is just painful for some of us to read. And since you attached the screen shots, it wasn't necessary to post the screen shot inline.

Tom's second point about the bandwidth required for loading large images is not a complaint about bandwidth usage here on TFL, but a point about the members without broadband connections that have to wait for the load.
 
I think "tactical" is mall Ninja stuff, trying to look ominous, threatening, powerful, deadly and fearsome without any necessity or objective purpose to be so. I think going "tactical" simply as decoration or as a costume is childish and immature. It's the same as putting "f$%t can" exhaust and an unpainted body kit on one's 150,000 mile old Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla in an effort to make it look like a serious performance car.

But if someone wants to go "tactical" with their M-16, or their pickup, or anything at all, or wants to be a "ricer" with their car, they are free and welcome to do so. It's not my "cup of tea" and I think it's silly in most cases, but that's of virtually no consequence to anyone else.

Like someone once said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it".
 
Vanguard - You may have kicked a can of worms.

I have a buddy who is just like what you described. Anything with wood on it is BAD. "Plastic (His word for his polymer black guns) can be wiped off, what do you do if you crack your wood?" Whittle a new one! is my answer.

He has even gone so far as to try to find the run flat tires for his Ford Escape.

He hates my shiny ammo. I put the cases in the tumbler for longer periods of time when I reload, just so they will be extra shiny. "The moonlight will reflect off of your ammo and give your position away." My paper targets don't care where I am and I do not shoot at night.

"I could empty my magazine by the time you finish with that bolt action rifle."
You only need one shot if you are good.

On and on it goes between us, but he is a great shooting partner.

Salmoneye pretty much summed it up. We all get to choose what we like and we really do not have to like what the other chooses. I stay away from the AR platform just because I hate cleaning the dang things.
 
I would hope the OP received his buddy's ok before posting a private conversation involving him all over the Internet....or that's not being much of a buddy at all IMHO.....

Nothing wrong with an AR bought with your own funds....
 
Having taking training classes from and with former/current military, and having several friends that served, I have had every single one of them tell me flat out they almost never bothered with more than semi-auto on their M16s or M4s.

Marine buddy told me it comes in handy if you're shooting out of a moving vehicle at a moving target, but that it's pretty much pointless otherwise.

So I fail to see how not having full auto makes a gun unsuitable for combat.

If you don't like evil black guns, then don't buy them. It means more for the people that do like them.

Target shooting is fun with an AR. That's more than enough reason for me to have one.

As for other uses, I know many people that hunt with one.

Deer, Hogs, Wolves, Coyotes, Prairie Dogs, Turkey. Basic 223 is more than enough for all of them, and more.

If you're looking at other calibers, then pretty much every game animal in North America is fair game for the useless AR.
 
I have no use for one, nor do I desire one.

I don't need an AK47, but I kind of want one, or maybe just an SKS.

I also don't need a 1890/30 Mosin, but I have one, with 500 round's.:D

What's my point?:confused:
 
competion

NRA Service Rifle, 3-Gun, and likely other competitions use AR, all have civilian participants.

LOTS of folks have 4WD vehicles and never leave pavement.

Who cares?
 
Many innovations in a lot of firearms of all types are directly tied to military testing and requirements. The AR and other 'tacticool' rifles are just the newer ones on the block.

I wish I had a time machine so I could see what the guys who used Trapdoors said when they saw others using Henry's. When threads like this come up I wonder what people who grew up on single shot .22's thought when the Marlin 60, 10/22, and other various semi's became popular.

Not as accurate? I think with some models of today, that is a very false myth. The people who make these claims are often one's who compare apples to oranges. Will someone shooting a .223 out of a scoped rifle with a 22" barrel have tighter groups at longer ranges than a 16" AR with iron sights or red dot? I would hope so. Get a match grade AR with some decent glass and someone who knows how to shoot, and the playing field will be a bit more equal. All in all, I'm pretty sure all guns have the same immediate effect: putting a projectile down range. So long as it does it in an accurate, reliable, and efficient fashion, who cares what the round capacity, action, or color of it is?
 
I traded for a NIB DPMS Sportical last year (Traded my old, beat up Springfield Mil Spec). I definitely didn't need it, or have a use for owning one (which is odd because I like all my guns to have jobs). I also though AR platforms were kind of just whimsy, really besides ground squirrels and coyotes what good are they? Now after owning one myself I realize I made a mistake in getting one. It mostly just sits in my gun cabinet, or take it to the range once a month or so. But now I need one in .308
 
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