All the ammo in Wal Mart, Academy, etc. is gone.
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CortJestir
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Either November 2012 or November 2016, depending...
Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemy...
Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemy...
scorpion_tyr
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I'm going to guess by the end of this year... maybe early 2010 at the latest. What will be fun is when a lot of these people who have bought their first guns and have bought several, along with several thousand rounds of ammo lose interest. There will be more guns and ammo for sale than we've seen in a long time. Hopefully the prices will be great on some barely used hardware 
It's going to follow the trends of the market...
The fear factor that has played into part of the shortage will be a big part in how long the ammo shortages will be.
I would guess once the economy improves and the "scare factor" returns to a normal level then add 6 months of stability. So, the latest I would guess is end of 2010 if all goes well for all of us (economy) by end of this year.
If you add another "major attack" or "war front" then that's just going to play into more scare and a downturn in our economy. Let's hope our home defense is good enough to prevent them from ever happening again.
On a brigher side. Gun support is on the rise~!
Go 2nd Amendment!
The fear factor that has played into part of the shortage will be a big part in how long the ammo shortages will be.
I would guess once the economy improves and the "scare factor" returns to a normal level then add 6 months of stability. So, the latest I would guess is end of 2010 if all goes well for all of us (economy) by end of this year.
If you add another "major attack" or "war front" then that's just going to play into more scare and a downturn in our economy. Let's hope our home defense is good enough to prevent them from ever happening again.
On a brigher side. Gun support is on the rise~!
Go 2nd Amendment!
4INCHSMITH
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Scorpion, I think that I am going to have some pleasant dreams this evening because that thought has never occured to me.
Thank Youoverkill556x45
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Federal (who makes Federal Premium Ammunition, CCI, Speer, Fusion, Estate Cartridge, American Eagle and Blazer) is laying off 80 people because they are supposedly caught up on backorders.... yeah right.
[http://abcnewspapers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5584&Itemid=26]
Anyway, taking my tinfoil hat off for a moment, the panicked Mad Max wannabes who bought all the 9mm ammunition in the whole world will probably soon be showing up at gun shows with cases upon cases of Blazer Brass at fire sale prices. How soon is soon? Depends on how much stupid stuff those in D.C. say. If anyone in the decidedly anti-gun federal government sneezes, ammo will be backordered yet again. I checked on a lot of the usual suspects at Cabelas and Midway. Some of that stuff (in 9mm anyway--I have a pistol to break in and need some serious 9mm) is backordered until the first week of JUNE!!!!!
If I had to guess on when ammo would be back in stock (and at sane-ish prices) by late 2010 or 2011--provided no one in D.C. makes any sudden moves. I'm investing in snap caps for practice and just live-firing maybe twice a month with low round counts.
[http://abcnewspapers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5584&Itemid=26]
Anyway, taking my tinfoil hat off for a moment, the panicked Mad Max wannabes who bought all the 9mm ammunition in the whole world will probably soon be showing up at gun shows with cases upon cases of Blazer Brass at fire sale prices. How soon is soon? Depends on how much stupid stuff those in D.C. say. If anyone in the decidedly anti-gun federal government sneezes, ammo will be backordered yet again. I checked on a lot of the usual suspects at Cabelas and Midway. Some of that stuff (in 9mm anyway--I have a pistol to break in and need some serious 9mm) is backordered until the first week of JUNE!!!!!
If I had to guess on when ammo would be back in stock (and at sane-ish prices) by late 2010 or 2011--provided no one in D.C. makes any sudden moves. I'm investing in snap caps for practice and just live-firing maybe twice a month with low round counts.
protectedbyglock
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I may be being optimistic on this, but I'm guessing closer to 5-6 months from now. End of this year at the latest.
This part of the following article was interesting - a hard fact. John
"One manufacturer, Winchester, has back orders for 200 million rounds of .45-caliber bullets. The company's machines produce 1.6 million rounds a day, which puts them more than 120 days behind. That same machine makes .380-caliber bullets, but the manufacturer can't shut down production of the .45-caliber bullets on back order to make other ammunition, Spencer said."
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4/10/09
Ammo in short supply; Dem takeover gets blame www.standard.net/live/news/169483/
OGDEN -- With firearm dealers struggling to keep ammunition on their shelves, it seems the gun and ammunition business has been stimulated in a way few people expected. The minute Barack Obama stepped into the White House, people scrambled to gun stores to buy as much ammunition as they could get their hands on. Now, there's a shortage of ammunition all over the country as demand is three times the supply.
"It's been a huge topic since the election," said Mike Casey, vice president of Smith & Edwards in Farr West. "Ammunition is hard to come by, and the demand isn't getting smaller. Even with production increases, it is extremely difficult to get ammo."
Casey has been out of several calibers of ammunition for more than six weeks now, with no expected date of delivery. He receives 20 calls for these items every day and continues to tell customers there's still nothing on the shelves.
Jeff Spencer has worked in the gun business for more than 30 years as part owner of Kent Shooters Supply in Ogden, but he never anticipated such a high demand for ammunition. With Democrats in control of the House, Senate and presidency, he knew things would get crazy. "That party is very anti-gun and anti-Second Amendment. All you have to do is look at what they've said and done in the past and you know what they're gonna do again," Spencer said.
Some of the laws that have been discussed within the party infringe on citizens' Second Amendment right to bear arms, Spencer said. He believes that's the reason people are buying as much ammunition as they can. Since the election, Spencer said, three or four comments by Democratic leaders along those lines have bumped his sales.
"Every time a comment is made, there's a spike in buying," he said. "It only takes one day and we're wiped out."
From Jan. 1 through the end of March, 63,348 people in Utah have gotten the background check necessary for obtaining a firearm, according to data on an FBI Web site.
In the past 10 years, the state has averaged 90,000 people a year getting those background checks. If this year continues at the same rate as its first three months, Utah would have nearly met its yearly average of background checks by the end of April.
Kent Shooters Supply has a waiting list of 135 people who want to buy the Ruger LCP .380-caliber pistol.
When the guns were in supply, Spencer sold 100 in two days. Even if he had the guns, Spencer has no .380 ammo to sell because producers are swamped.
One manufacturer, Winchester, has back orders for 200 million rounds of .45-caliber bullets. The company's machines produce 1.6 million rounds a day, which puts them more than 120 days behind. That same machine makes .380-caliber bullets, but the manufacturer can't shut down production of the .45-caliber bullets on back order to make other ammunition, Spencer said.
And it's getting tougher to make your own bullets, too. Reloading supplies sell out nearly as fast as they hit stores, Spencer said.
Recently, Kent Shooters Supply received a shipment of 80 pounds of gunpowder. That amount, typically a six-month supply for the store, was sold in three days. "It's crazy. The guy in the past who bought a pound of powder is now buying all I have on the counter," Spencer said.
The run on ammo is an irrational fear driven by paranoia, said Todd Taylor, executive director of the Utah Democratic Party. "There is no question there are Democrats who are concerned about gun crimes, but most of these people buying these things are not felons and don't have mental problems," he said. "Nobody's talking about doing anything that would harm someone from protecting themselves or even for sporting or hunting purposes."
When Obama did make gun-control proposals, Democrats like Jim Matheson did oppose it, Taylor said. "I think the Utah Democratic Party represents the nation's Democratic Party accurately in that we support the Second Amendment."
Law enforcement has not been seriously affected by the shortage, though some say there have been short delays in receiving orders. The Ogden Police Department orders large amounts of ammunition two or three times a year through a state contract. The terms of the contract state these buyers have priority in receiving their orders because manufacturers deal with law enforcement differently, said Ogden Assistant Police Chief Randy Watt.
Spencer spends his evenings on the phone and computer searching for suppliers with ammo for sale. He doesn't think it's going to get better anytime soon. "Judging from the back orders, we're looking at 18 months before we see improvement," Spencer said. "What worries me is, half the population of Utah doesn't have an idea what's going on because they don't shoot actively.
"They pull the gun out for hunting season, and they're going to be grossly disappointed when they show up in October and can't find ammunition."
"One manufacturer, Winchester, has back orders for 200 million rounds of .45-caliber bullets. The company's machines produce 1.6 million rounds a day, which puts them more than 120 days behind. That same machine makes .380-caliber bullets, but the manufacturer can't shut down production of the .45-caliber bullets on back order to make other ammunition, Spencer said."
____________________________________
4/10/09
Ammo in short supply; Dem takeover gets blame www.standard.net/live/news/169483/
OGDEN -- With firearm dealers struggling to keep ammunition on their shelves, it seems the gun and ammunition business has been stimulated in a way few people expected. The minute Barack Obama stepped into the White House, people scrambled to gun stores to buy as much ammunition as they could get their hands on. Now, there's a shortage of ammunition all over the country as demand is three times the supply.
"It's been a huge topic since the election," said Mike Casey, vice president of Smith & Edwards in Farr West. "Ammunition is hard to come by, and the demand isn't getting smaller. Even with production increases, it is extremely difficult to get ammo."
Casey has been out of several calibers of ammunition for more than six weeks now, with no expected date of delivery. He receives 20 calls for these items every day and continues to tell customers there's still nothing on the shelves.
Jeff Spencer has worked in the gun business for more than 30 years as part owner of Kent Shooters Supply in Ogden, but he never anticipated such a high demand for ammunition. With Democrats in control of the House, Senate and presidency, he knew things would get crazy. "That party is very anti-gun and anti-Second Amendment. All you have to do is look at what they've said and done in the past and you know what they're gonna do again," Spencer said.
Some of the laws that have been discussed within the party infringe on citizens' Second Amendment right to bear arms, Spencer said. He believes that's the reason people are buying as much ammunition as they can. Since the election, Spencer said, three or four comments by Democratic leaders along those lines have bumped his sales.
"Every time a comment is made, there's a spike in buying," he said. "It only takes one day and we're wiped out."
From Jan. 1 through the end of March, 63,348 people in Utah have gotten the background check necessary for obtaining a firearm, according to data on an FBI Web site.
In the past 10 years, the state has averaged 90,000 people a year getting those background checks. If this year continues at the same rate as its first three months, Utah would have nearly met its yearly average of background checks by the end of April.
Kent Shooters Supply has a waiting list of 135 people who want to buy the Ruger LCP .380-caliber pistol.
When the guns were in supply, Spencer sold 100 in two days. Even if he had the guns, Spencer has no .380 ammo to sell because producers are swamped.
One manufacturer, Winchester, has back orders for 200 million rounds of .45-caliber bullets. The company's machines produce 1.6 million rounds a day, which puts them more than 120 days behind. That same machine makes .380-caliber bullets, but the manufacturer can't shut down production of the .45-caliber bullets on back order to make other ammunition, Spencer said.
And it's getting tougher to make your own bullets, too. Reloading supplies sell out nearly as fast as they hit stores, Spencer said.
Recently, Kent Shooters Supply received a shipment of 80 pounds of gunpowder. That amount, typically a six-month supply for the store, was sold in three days. "It's crazy. The guy in the past who bought a pound of powder is now buying all I have on the counter," Spencer said.
The run on ammo is an irrational fear driven by paranoia, said Todd Taylor, executive director of the Utah Democratic Party. "There is no question there are Democrats who are concerned about gun crimes, but most of these people buying these things are not felons and don't have mental problems," he said. "Nobody's talking about doing anything that would harm someone from protecting themselves or even for sporting or hunting purposes."
When Obama did make gun-control proposals, Democrats like Jim Matheson did oppose it, Taylor said. "I think the Utah Democratic Party represents the nation's Democratic Party accurately in that we support the Second Amendment."
Law enforcement has not been seriously affected by the shortage, though some say there have been short delays in receiving orders. The Ogden Police Department orders large amounts of ammunition two or three times a year through a state contract. The terms of the contract state these buyers have priority in receiving their orders because manufacturers deal with law enforcement differently, said Ogden Assistant Police Chief Randy Watt.
Spencer spends his evenings on the phone and computer searching for suppliers with ammo for sale. He doesn't think it's going to get better anytime soon. "Judging from the back orders, we're looking at 18 months before we see improvement," Spencer said. "What worries me is, half the population of Utah doesn't have an idea what's going on because they don't shoot actively.
"They pull the gun out for hunting season, and they're going to be grossly disappointed when they show up in October and can't find ammunition."
Technosavant
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It depends on two big factors.
1) The administration shutting their pieholes. Every time they mention guns, the panic restarts. If they can let it sit for a while (as in at least 4-6 months), folks will likely calm down a bit.
2) The buyers deciding they have enough stockpiled. Yes, I understand the "buy it cheap and stack it deep" proverb, but right now it just isn't that cheap. The run on ammo is the result of increased gun purchases (have to feed them), worries about ammo/component coding, and worries about higher ammo taxes. At some point they'll quit buying because they run out of room or money or they'll decide that four thousand rounds of .45ACP along with 50K primers and 50 pounds of powder is more than enough.
The fact is that there's only so much money that can be chasing these things, be it ammo or guns. If everybody buys guns expecting a ban (and the ability to resell at higher prices), they will likely find that the market has already been saturated- kinda hard to sell a rifle to somebody at $3000 when everybody who wants one already picked one up at well under $1500. At some point we'll reach full market saturation and the speculators will be left holding the bag (this happened when the Playstation 3 launched- people bought them expecting to resell them for double on eBay, the market was saturated quickly, and they had to unload them for a loss).
Additionally, those buying for individual consumption will eventually be satiated. How many AR-15s and cases of .223 can a person honestly use, really? They'll eventually get tired of buying more ammo and guns that are only useful in the most ludicrous and outlandish TEOTWAWKI fantasies.
But to directly answer the OP's question on ammo, I expect things will gradually improve through the end of the year, and we might see a return to last year's version of normalcy in 8-12 months. But we'll see.
1) The administration shutting their pieholes. Every time they mention guns, the panic restarts. If they can let it sit for a while (as in at least 4-6 months), folks will likely calm down a bit.
2) The buyers deciding they have enough stockpiled. Yes, I understand the "buy it cheap and stack it deep" proverb, but right now it just isn't that cheap. The run on ammo is the result of increased gun purchases (have to feed them), worries about ammo/component coding, and worries about higher ammo taxes. At some point they'll quit buying because they run out of room or money or they'll decide that four thousand rounds of .45ACP along with 50K primers and 50 pounds of powder is more than enough.
The fact is that there's only so much money that can be chasing these things, be it ammo or guns. If everybody buys guns expecting a ban (and the ability to resell at higher prices), they will likely find that the market has already been saturated- kinda hard to sell a rifle to somebody at $3000 when everybody who wants one already picked one up at well under $1500. At some point we'll reach full market saturation and the speculators will be left holding the bag (this happened when the Playstation 3 launched- people bought them expecting to resell them for double on eBay, the market was saturated quickly, and they had to unload them for a loss).
Additionally, those buying for individual consumption will eventually be satiated. How many AR-15s and cases of .223 can a person honestly use, really? They'll eventually get tired of buying more ammo and guns that are only useful in the most ludicrous and outlandish TEOTWAWKI fantasies.
But to directly answer the OP's question on ammo, I expect things will gradually improve through the end of the year, and we might see a return to last year's version of normalcy in 8-12 months. But we'll see.
ammo rant!!!
I know, I know, but I need to vent. Trying to by ammo at walmart this morning and lady from the local gun shop comes in and buys all of it, even made the guys get on his knees and dig every last box out off the bottom shelf. I asked her to give up just 1 box and big fat no!WTF they are just resaling this cheap blaser for 25-30 dollars a box. Guy behind the counter said they had tried to limit the number of boxes purchased, but certain customers raised sand and wrote letters to the home office saying they were being discriminated agianst. I know its a public store open to everyone yada yada yada.................but it just makes me so. But I allso know were none not a pennyof my money will be spent in the future! Rant over man I feel better now
I know, I know, but I need to vent. Trying to by ammo at walmart this morning and lady from the local gun shop comes in and buys all of it, even made the guys get on his knees and dig every last box out off the bottom shelf. I asked her to give up just 1 box and big fat no!
WTF they are just resaling this cheap blaser for 25-30 dollars a box. Guy behind the counter said they had tried to limit the number of boxes purchased, but certain customers raised sand and wrote letters to the home office saying they were being discriminated agianst. I know its a public store open to everyone yada yada yada.................but it just makes me so. But I allso know were none not a pennyof my money will be spent in the future! Rant over man I feel better nowYes, it is aggrevating but I might be able to see it another way:
Lets say this gun shop can't get ammo, would you begrudge them getting something to sell to draw in potential customers and maybe make a firearms sale?
Lets say they don't do enough biz to justify an account, sales rep, and all the overhead of buying from a distributor and have always bought ammo for their store this way, is that a problem?
With that said, if they are buying just to markup and sell, that's kinda slimy.
It's just a matter of supply and demand at this point - when this works its way through, the folks who abused the situation will pay. Of course, if it gets worse, we'll all be buying anything we can find.
Lets say this gun shop can't get ammo, would you begrudge them getting something to sell to draw in potential customers and maybe make a firearms sale?
Lets say they don't do enough biz to justify an account, sales rep, and all the overhead of buying from a distributor and have always bought ammo for their store this way, is that a problem?
With that said, if they are buying just to markup and sell, that's kinda slimy.
It's just a matter of supply and demand at this point - when this works its way through, the folks who abused the situation will pay. Of course, if it gets worse, we'll all be buying anything we can find.
Most of the small mom and pop gun shops are doing that. The ammo manufacturers take care of their big customers first. The Federal government, law enforcement, Wal-Mart, and others that buy by the truckload. The little guys that buy a few cases are last in line. Still any mom & pop that cleans out Wal-Mart and then marks it up by more than $1-2/box should lose everyone's business.
I think the thing to do is to start a letter writing campaign to get Wal-Mart to stop allowing other shops to clean them out. Of course somebody would immediately start a "Wal-Mart is Anti-Gun" thread if they limited purchases to 10 boxes/person/day. It would be seen as a conspiracy between Wal-Mart, the UN, the Chinese, and space aliens to keep Bubba from stuffing the bunker.
I think the thing to do is to start a letter writing campaign to get Wal-Mart to stop allowing other shops to clean them out. Of course somebody would immediately start a "Wal-Mart is Anti-Gun" thread if they limited purchases to 10 boxes/person/day. It would be seen as a conspiracy between Wal-Mart, the UN, the Chinese, and space aliens to keep Bubba from stuffing the bunker.
Raise hell, write letters to the home office and complain. Especially if you have proof that they are buying it to resell. Maybe nothing will happen, but you never know.
Other than that, don't give the shop your business and make sure every other local shooter you know is aware of what this shop is doing.
Kreyzhorse
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Rather than beat up Walmart and the local gun shops, how about the people hoarding this stuff and driving up the price? I'm still almost in disbelief that people are still buying every thing they can get their hands on.
But, surely you dont want the poor gunshop to go out of business. Heck, you should have helped carry the ammo out of the store for her. Shame on you for not supporting your local gun shops
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Seriously, what she was probably trying to do is buy up all of the cheap ammo in the area so people will have to come to their shops, and pay another $5 to $10 a box for the stuff..........
. Seriously, what she was probably trying to do is buy up all of the cheap ammo in the area so people will have to come to their shops, and pay another $5 to $10 a box for the stuff..........
Kreyzhorse
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I thought it would have slowed down already but that doesn't appear to be the case. At this point, I don't forsee any type of slow down till the end of the year.