Al Qaeda preparing for nuclear attack on the United States

1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?

I don't see the effect on the country in general being much different than 9/11... if anything I think people will be less surprised this time around. Society would go on just as it did after 9/11... perhaps better if they caught the right group of politicians in the blast. Remember, we nuked Japan... twice... and look at them now. It's hardly a deathblow to the country as a whole.

2: Do you believe that such an attack is probable, or at least possible?

Anything's possible.

3: Do you believe that a nuclear weapon has in fact been smuggled into the U.S.?

No idea, but anything's possible.

4: If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is
possible?

Again, anything's possible.

5: What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?

Absolutely none... the only effect on my life will likely be economical, and I expect even that will be minimal.

6: Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why?

Nope. Not my thing to read.
 
1). As others have mentioned, a repeat of the 9/11 sequence. Shock to anger to determination to self-questioning to apathy and pacifism.

2). Not probable, but certainly possible.

3). I don't know.

4). Considering the amount of drugs which are smuggled into the country every day, it is definately possible to get one nuke in.

5). None. In a nuke strike, you are either dead, dying, or fine.

6). No, because I am an impoverished college student, who has already spent enough money on textbooks. My money can go to better items, such as guns, ammo, vehicle assessories, or software.
 
So you'd be among those folks who went out and shot the Sikh at the local Kwik-E-Mart, because he was wearing a turban? Because, you know, the turban most surely "whiffed" of Islam to those patriotic trigger pullers.

How dare you put such words in my mouth?!

I was referring to the idea that many people would volunteer to be sent "over there" just because this (a nuclear strike in the U.S. by muslims) would be the ultimate declaration that this is "war against Islam".

It's way past time to stop excusing the rest of Islam for allowing its "radical fringe" to go around the world playing jihad. If the mainstream of Islam was NOT in general quite pleased with its "radical fringe" doing its dirty work around the world, they could have squelched it by now. The rest of the islamic world pays lip-service to not supporting the jihadists, but they MUST support them, or they would not be able to accomplish what the have already been doing. Something about islam is producing these kinds of people.

Let's say they nuked the NY/L.I. area, and my dad and sister were killed. Yeah, I think that I might very well walk in to a recruiter and say, "Sign me up, I'm goin' over there to help rid the world of this problem."

-blackmind
 
Well, it's a win-win situation for the pro-Bush crowd. If a nuke goes off, it'll serve as evidence that the current infringements on civil liberties just weren't enough, as predicted, and the sequels to the PATRIOT Act will follow very swiftly.

Um, do you think that the democrats who passed it without reading it and then subsequently bash it would vote for it a second time, again without reading it?

Are you accusing democrats of being so ethically corrupt that they would vote for it once again, just because it is popular with their reactionary-thinking constituents, even though it would probably be a legislative/civil-rights disaster?

You don't think much of the people you seem to think much of, now do you?

-blackmind
 
The rest of the islamic world pays lip-service to not supporting the jihadists, but they MUST support them, or they would not be able to accomplish what the have already been doing.


You do realize that the vast majority of Muslims in the world are not middle eastern or Pakistani, right?
 
1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?

About the same as 9/11 did. A few years of 'kill 'em all' then fading back into general apathy and complaining about how we shouldn't have taken any military action.

Yup.

A week or two after 9/11, a friend of mine from Peru told me this would happen. He said Americans would forget about it after a few years. People were pretty angry then. But they would be busy with their daily lives and would eventually lose interest and pull support for a war. I didn't believe him. Boy, was I in for a shock.
 
It's way past time to stop excusing the rest of Islam for allowing its "radical fringe" to go around the world playing jihad. If the mainstream of Islam was NOT in general quite pleased with its "radical fringe" doing its dirty work around the world, they could have squelched it by now. The rest of the islamic world pays lip-service to not supporting the jihadists, but they MUST support them, or they would not be able to accomplish what the have already been doing.

Hmmmm....
Rabble-rouser: Part of Speech - noun; one who stirs up the emotions or prejudices of a mob; demagogue; agitator.
 
Oh, I see, so posting a dictionary definition skirts a rule against calling anyone names, huh? :rolleyes:

Here's news for you: I don't give a crap what you think of me.

-blackmind
 
Here's news for you: I don't give a crap what you think of me.

I think that painting a population of over 1 billion people with such a broad and dark brush is not only inaccurate and an injustice, it's very unwise. Fueling religious hatred, which is of course invariably reciprocated, can only bring problems, not solutions. No, I am not very surprised that you don't give a crap - that's just what I'd expect.
 
Oh, I guess then, since religious hatred only breeds more of the same, we should just be inviting those who wish us dead a thousand times over to a sit-down and talk rationally with them.

This is the same kind of "thinking" (the term is used loosely) that leftists use when they tell us that rather than shooting robbers and rapists, we just need to establish dialogue with them and "understand" them til they decide they don't really want to kill us after all.



MY solution is abandonment of religion. It has never brought us nearer anything good, but it has certainly caused its share of evil in the world.


-blackmind
 
Oh, I guess then, since religious hatred only breeds more of the same, we should just be inviting those who wish us dead a thousand times over to a sit-down and talk rationally with them.
That is certainly not a logical extension of what Caleb said.
 
How much productive resolution should anyone expect after asking politely to have a civil sit-down with psychotic murderous islamist radicals?

That's my point. It makes as much sense as telling the guy robbing you at an ATM, "I want to understand where your mind is and why you feel you have to do this in order to be loved and accepted for who you are..." :rolleyes:

Touchy-feely crap. When someone is out for your blood, all you can do is try to get them before they get you. We already know that these islamic extremists are not going to decide one day that they've been wrong all along for trying to destroy us.


-blackmind
 
What effect?

At first immense, especially the stock market and business in general and maybe some evacuations of urban populations and martial law being declared. But as with Pearl Harbor the desire for vengeance would quickly overcome our sense of fear and shock. We would adopt a WWII "bombing of London mentality" and "suck-it-up".

Do I think it's possible?

Yes, especially with a dirty bomb or bio-terrorist weapon.

Is the weapon already in the US?

Very unlikely, to reduce the risk of discovery, they would use it asap. Just about any small city would do to serve their intended purpose.

If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is
possible?


Yes but it is VERY difficult. We have technology that doesn't require us to inspect every box or crate that enters this country. Bio-weapons are much more difficult to detect than radioactive substances.

What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?

None, my location (Ohio Valley) provides about as much security/safety as is possible without wearing a tinfoil hat all the time. Besides, my stock of "survival food" (WWII surplus 'C rations) from the threats of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's is still edible right? I can still read the labels. :rolleyes:

Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why?

William's imagination and predictions are no better than my own. If his book comes with a fold-out, well stocked bomb shelter for $9.95 at Barnes & Noble I might reconsider. Other than that, he has nothing new to offer that I can't get from a dozen other "chicken littles" for free. I still have a copy of "The Great stock Market Crash of '79", I paid a quarter for it at a used book store and still have not read it, he did mean 2079 didn't he? :D

A week or two after 9/11, a friend of mine from Peru told me this would happen. He said Americans would forget about it after a few years. People were pretty angry then. But they would be busy with their daily lives and would eventually lose interest and pull support for a war. I didn't believe him. Boy, was I in for a shock.
It's called human nature and as such is quite predictable, why the shock?
 
People would be virtually frothing at the chance to "kill a towelhead for the lost." There would certainly be bloodlust. I predict that muslims would arouse a wrath greater than the world has ever seen, and it would be from Americans directed at anything that even whiffs of islam. And I would be among them.

Pick the city that you would prefer they hit, if one was definitely going to be destroyed.


I'll start.

Washington, D.C.


It would serve those bastards right, for all the crap they've sent downhill from there for decades and decades, that we the People have had to live with -- not to mention all that they have failed to do to keep us save from such threats.

With any luck, the entire families and legacies of the Chuck Schumers and Dianne Feinsteins and Ted Kennedys would be there at the time of the attack, so we would finally be rid of them.


Mind you, this is only an "IF I had to choose" thing. But if you have to suffer a disaster, you might as well make the best of it.

Who knows, maybe if D.C. was destroyed, we'd have a chance at re-making this country into what it was originally supposed to be.

-blackmind

P.S. I predict the responses to be "D.C." in a landslide. :P

Wow, just wow. Please consider seeing a licensed psychiatrist.

Those of us who have actually worked with Strategic Weapons know that the technical upkeep of such weapons is far beyond the means of a rogue group, no matter what the funding.

The problem with 'suitcase nukes' is that the nuclear material in the warhead degrades over time (that's what the radiation is, the nuclear material gradually breaking down). What this means is that a nuke warhead will eventually go bad by just sitting there, to the point where it won't make the big mushroom cloud, it will 'fizzle'. The smaller the warhead, the faster it degrades.

All nuke warheads need regular inspection checks and maintenance, and depending on the physical size of the warhead, the fissile material is removed from the weapon for reprocessing on a regular basis. The bigger the warhead, the longer it will stay good, but approx 10 years is the upper limit for the big warheads. A small tactical 'suitcase nuke' has a lifetime of approx 2-3 years before the fissile material has degraded so badly that it won't initiate properly. Also, the purity of the fissile material is a big factor in the lifespan of the warhead. The higher the purity, the longer it will be good for.

So, does anyone want to guess that a group like AQ not only has 1 or more small nukes, AND people with the right level of training to maintain them AND access to nuclear reprocessing facitities to keep the warhead material viable for more than a couple of years?

It is true that such small form factor nukes existed at one point or another, either as extreme demolition charges, large bombs, or artillery shells, but were not ever practical. At best, should one of these devices be in the hands of those who wish harm to us, and is successfully imported and fired, the result would be little more than a dirty bomb with a blast of about two hand grenades due to the failure of all the components to work as designed after decades of neglect. The firing charges would blast the core material into pieces, like in the movie The Peace Maker. Another thing to think of is the projected yield of such device should it function properly. We tend to think of any nuclear blast as a catastrophic city leveling holocaust, when these devices are much smaller and designed with a small yield in mind (how else would they fire one from an artillery shell and expect to survive?).

The word 'suitcase nuke' is deceptive as well. The whole package would be much larger that a suitcase, and would probably weigh upwards of 400+ pounds to contain all needed functions + core of very dense nuclear material.

Assuming the fissile material is up to date and/or functional, would-be nuclear terrorists run into another problem: Small weapons are almost certainly 'boosted' to increase their yield, which is only on the order of 1 kiloton to begin with. Boosting is done with tritium which has a half-life of 12.5 years. Also, it's likely that initiator (nuclear sparkplug) uses a material that has a half-life of 138 days. Neither material is available easily.

If the initiator material has decayed you'll get no nuclear reaction at all; just a dirty bomb. If the tritium has decayed you'll get a greatly reduced yield which was only 1 kT at best.

We are far more likely to have a Sea-Box full of HE detonate in a port than have any sort of nuke detonate successfully in the US. A 'dirty bomb' is a definate possibility as there are radioactive dumps all over the US that are unguarded and, for the most part, forgotten. A LNG tanker set to BLEVE makes a mess as well, and is also more likely than a nuke. There are plenty of potential WMDs in many locations throughout the US, and you probably drive right past one every day.

If they had any form of nuclear weapon within our borders, they would have used it already.
 
I find the mindset of punishing the whole for the actions of a minority puzzling.

in the long run you end up creating more of a problem than you originally had.

I prefer to deal with the minority and let the people who are doing what is right continue on.
 
BLACKMIND WROTE:

Let's say they nuked the NY/L.I. area, and my dad and sister were killed. Yeah, I think that I might very well walk in to a recruiter and say, "Sign me up, I'm goin' over there to help rid the world of this problem."

Hmmm, interesting. So if they killed 'your' people, you MIGHT very well, be ready to fight them yourself? Your sure ready enough to stir stuff up and get others to do yer fightin' for you though huh? Let me ask you a question, if you are SO FIRED UP WITH HATRED at the 'towelheads'.....how come you are not 'OVER THERE' right now, defending us with your mighty sword of righteous religious justice, hmm?

Now I'm not asking this because I necessarily disagree with you. I believe our aggressivness does indeed need to be stepped up a bit. But to put a target on EVERYONE just because of a particular religion they follow is a bit MUCH, don't you think? Your words could be chalked up as radical hate-mongering, religious bashing, just the same as theirs.....

Its real easy to SAY "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out", much harder to do. There ARE innocents there also that have NOTHING to do with what is going on....
 
Seems to me the most prudent action for the U.S. military would be to "steal their thunder." The U.S. Air Force should start bombing major Kalifornia cities, beginning, I'd suggest, with San Fransissygo and working their way down the west coast. Boom! Two birds with one stone.

Seriously, though, what possible difference could it make what any of us believe regarding whether a nuclear device has already been smuggled into the U.S.?? Either it has or it hasn't, and what we believe is irrelevant.

Much more likely that the nuclear "device" would be of the dirty bomb variety, rather than a device that manifests a nuclear explosion. Effect of either on the U.S. economy would be catastrophic.

Contrary to Handy, I don't care if Iran/Syria, etc., are turned to glass.
 
Yeah, why should any American care if innocent civilians are killed?


Is it because you're pro-genocide, or just pro-mass murder?
 
I'm just feeling unusually cold-hearted today! However, if I thought nuking Iran would stop terrorism, I'd say go for it. Stopped that Japanese terrorism a few years back; no reason to think it wouldn't work today.

Please note the use of the very large word, "if" in the above comment. :rolleyes:
 
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