Al Qaeda preparing for nuclear attack on the United States

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In his newly released book (below), author Paul L. Williams tells us that Al Qaeda is plotting to detonate a nuclear warhead in a major American city, and that the weapon has already been smuggled into the United States. He also says that military and security officials "concede the probability of nuclear terrorism in America, perhaps in the immediate future."

If we accept Williams' assertions as being factual, make no mistake: We are going to be in a world of hurt. This brings several qusetions to mind for fellow Firing Line members, to wit:

1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?

2: Do you believe that such an attack is probable, or at least possible?

3: Do you believe that a nuclear weapon has in fact been smuggled into the U.S.?

4: If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is
possible?


5: What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?

6: Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why?

Thanks to all who share their thoughts on this subject - my hope is that we can all learn a little from each other, and maybe be better prepared if this awful day ever comes. God help us if it does.


Al Qaeda Connection:
International Terrorism, Organized Crime, And the Coming Apocalypse


In his acclaimed exposé, "Osama’s Revenge: The Next 9/11", terrorism expert Paul L. Williams revealed the likelihood of nuclear terrorism on American soil. Now in this chilling sequel Williams further explores the shocking dimensions of the international terrorist threat to Americans. Williams reveals persuasive evidence that al Qaeda has now established connections with the Sicilian Mafia, which is helping to finance terrorism through the sale of Number Four heroin, the present drug of choice in Europe and the United States. In addition, through its ties to the Chechen Mafia, the group responsible for the heinous attack on a Russian school, al Qaeda has managed to obtain nuclear weapons from poorly secured and carelessly guarded storehouses in Russia. Perhaps the most disturbing evidence uncovered by Williams is the relation of al Qaeda to an obscure Salvadoran street gang, which calls itself Mara Salvatrucha and has expanded exponentially. In exchange for big money, this violent group of anarchic thugs has smuggled weapons of mass destruction and sleeper agents across the Mexican border onto American soil, or what they refer to as the land of the "Great Satan."
No other book deals with the connection between international, extremist Islamic terrorism and organized crime—a connection that has made possible the establishment of a well-financed branch of al Qaeda in Latin America and the creation of terrorist cells in major metropolitan areas throughout the United States. Williams convincingly demonstrates that by means of this network Bin Laden is now in a position to execute his dream of an American Hiroshima, an apocalyptic act of mass murder within the borders of the United States. Though vigorously working to prevent such an attack, many military experts and security officials concede the probability of nuclear terrorism in America, perhaps in the immediate future.

About the Author
Paul L. Williams, Ph.D. (Clarks Green, PA), is a journalist and the author of "Osama’s Revenge: The Next 9/11" and "The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia", among other books. Formerly, he served as a consultant for the FBI, editor and publisher of the Metro, and an adjunct professor of Humanities at the University of Scranton.
 
1. Piss us off. Hopefully, no one in our government uses it as an excuse to turn Iran or something to glass.

2. Possible, certainly. Building or procuring a bomb gets easier every day. And certainly someone wants to do it, but I'd like to think that even Bin Ladden is afraid of uncorking this genie.

3. Not really - but what do I know?

4. It wouldn't be hard. There are far too many private docks and privately owned pleasure boats capable of going out to sea for a transfer.

5. None. Such an isolated, unpredictable event is about 2 pages down from a whole lot of likely disasters I'd rather prepare for. The best tools for such an event are a gas mask, car and clean water. A bomb shelter makes no sense for this scenerio, and you only need "supplies" enough to get you out of the fall out area.

6. No. I prefer Forsyth for all my thriller/espionage needs. Otherwise I'd rather read something upbeat.
 
The consequences - my take

My take on the above is this: It would be all of our worst nightmares come true all at once; it would result in a doo-doo storm unlike anything this nation has ever seen.

The 9-11 attacks would pale in compairson as far as deaths, casualties, property destroyed and economic loss.

The U.S. Government would declare martial law, ushering in police state rule, complete with gun confiscations and SWAT/paramilitary "take-downs" and/or mass imprisonment of those who resist.

As we saw in Florida with hurricane Andrew, looting would be literally uncontrollable. Police would be vastly outnumbered, and with all the military reserves that have been deployed, they would not be much help due to their small numbers.

The stock market would go in the crapper, wiping out people's investments and leaving them holding an empty bag for their retirement years.

Banks would close; many would go under.

Food, gas and other essentials would skyrocket in price.

Medical facilities would be overwhelmed with the wounded.

The U.S. dollar would be meaningless; food, water, guns, ammunition, gold and silver coins would be bartered for whatever supplies people would need.

There would be anarchy in the streets, with rampant crime. Those without the means to defend themselves - yes I'm talking about those horrible, horrible, evil guns -
would find thinking happy thoughts and offering green tea to be of little value in protecting themselves from the predators who roam, ravage and rape at will.

In other words, if Al Qaeda succeeds in detonating a nuke in a major U.S. city - or even in a minor city - it will spell the end of life in America as we know it, as well as the death of what's left of the Bill of Rights.

Al Qaeda could proclaim, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
 
You think one bomb would do all that?

A small nuke in LA or something would be worse than 9/11, but only in degree. It would still be a local emergency, and I think Americans would treat it as isolated until told otherwise.
 
1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?

About the same as 9/11 did. A few years of 'kill 'em all' then fading back into general apathy and complaining about how we shouldn't have taken any military action.

2: Do you believe that such an attack is probable, or at least possible?

Yeah.

3: Do you believe that a nuclear weapon has in fact been smuggled into the U.S.?

Wouldn't suprise me, but probably not.

4: If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is possible?

Without a doubt.

5: What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?

None.

6: Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why

Nope, don't know who he is, and don't know what makes his book on the possibility of nuclear strike any more important that any of the other thousands out there.

Plus, I avoid big cities. If I lived in one, I may be more concerned. But having never lived in a city with more than 50,000 people, it doesn't bother me much.
 
Wow. ProGunner1957 paints an awful dismal picture, there.

It's chilling, for sure, but I don't necessarily agree that everything about the whole country would just collapse on the spot. And I don't know about martial law. I do know that I won't ever accept martial law, though -- for the simple reason that I feel if we ever impose martial law here, we will never disengage martial law. It would be the next era of American government, and by that I mean relatively permanent, just like the federal income tax, which wasn't supposed to last.

If we accept Williams' assertions as being factual, make no mistake: We are going to be in a world of hurt. This brings several qusetions to mind for fellow Firing Line members, to wit:

1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?

Not sure. I think, though, that it would galvanize enough of us Americans to really have the fortitude to go over and kick the asses of any/all muslim countries that have the slightest hint of anything to do with terrorism. I think that American citizens would be lining up to get sent over there and do the same to them. People would be virtually frothing at the chance to "kill a towelhead for the lost." There would certainly be bloodlust. I predict that muslims would arouse a wrath greater than the world has ever seen, and it would be from Americans directed at anything that even whiffs of islam. And I would be among them. Priorities would all change, if America was ever struck in such a way.

2: Do you believe that such an attack is probable, or at least possible?

3: Do you believe that a nuclear weapon has in fact been smuggled into the U.S.?

I don't have any idea whether such a weapon is currently in the U.S. It's easy to conceive that it could have been smuggled here. We like to believe that our government/spies have secret tabs on where what is around the world, but that's probably wildly naive.

Is such an attack probable or possible? I would say it's both. I don't have a tough time believing that these psychotic, allah-deluded whackos would delight in getting a nuke set off in the U.S. It would be their wet-dream! The greatest possible strike against the great satan, right? So yeah, IF they have managed to or do manage to get a nuke here, count on it being set off.

4: If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is
possible?

It is absolutely possible. Does anyone believe that every crate and box and shipping container that comes to the U.S. is checked for what it contains? You might as well say that every cow that seems sick is checked for Mad Cow Disease. :rolleyes:

5: What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?

Can't prepare for something like that. About all you can do is keep at hand the same stuff you keep at hand in preparation for a hurricane.

Should the preparations be different depending on whether you live 1000 miles or 200 miles from the blast site? Dunno.

6: Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why?

Um, doubt it. When I hear that someone has written a claim that doesn't come from anywhere else, I think it is suspect. The idea that this guy knows what no one else knows, is hard to swallow. If anyone else had this information too, do you think they would not be out with it as well?

There are a LOT of crackpot conspiracy theories out there. This guy seems to be capitalizing on the king of them all, and the fear that surrounds it.

-blackmind
 
Pick the city that you would prefer they hit, if one was definitely going to be destroyed.


I'll start.

Washington, D.C.


It would serve those bastards right, for all the crap they've sent downhill from there for decades and decades, that we the People have had to live with -- not to mention all that they have failed to do to keep us save from such threats.

With any luck, the entire families and legacies of the Chuck Schumers and Dianne Feinsteins and Ted Kennedys would be there at the time of the attack, so we would finally be rid of them.


Mind you, this is only an "IF I had to choose" thing. But if you have to suffer a disaster, you might as well make the best of it.

Who knows, maybe if D.C. was destroyed, we'd have a chance at re-making this country into what it was originally supposed to be.

-blackmind

P.S. I predict the responses to be "D.C." in a landslide. :p
 
I predict that muslims would arouse a wrath greater than the world has ever seen, and it would be from Americans directed at anything that even whiffs of islam. And I would be among them.

So you'd be among those folks who went out and shot the Sikh at the local Kwik-E-Mart, because he was wearing a turban? Because, you know, the turban most surely "whiffed" of Islam to those patriotic trigger pullers.
 
And I would be among them.

Awesome. I guess you think the people who want to kill Americans because of things like the Bophal disaster or Abu Ghraib are straight thinking. "Hey, some Americans have killed some people of mine...therefore, I will kill all Americans."

IMO, it sounds like pretty twisted logic applied to any group.
 
As we saw in Florida with hurricane Andrew, looting would be literally uncontrollable.
Now wait just a darn minute here...

I used to live near 87th ave and 159th street in Miami, and was there on August 24, 1992 (dumb move). While there was isolated looting, it was far from uncontrollable, and did not occur at all in my neighborhood. That perhaps due to large signs spray painted on garage doors saying things like "LOOTER SHOOTER INSIDE" or the less politically correct "YOU BE LOOTIN' WE BE SHOOTIN'"

Both of those were within two blocks of my house, which was armed but not advertised.
 
1: What effect do you believe such an event will have on the United States, our society, and those of us who would survive such an attack?
Well, from what I have heard, the most likely nuclear attack is a "dirty bomb", which will use conventional explosives to scatter radioactive poison through a good portion of a city... but not a true nuclear explosion. Other than the obvious immediate deaths, I think it will have an even more profound effect on our national conciousness, and on the economy, than 9/11.

2: Do you believe that such an attack is probable, or at least possible?
I can't put any numbers on it, but yes, I sure do. It's virtually impossible to stop (completely) terrorist attacks. Look at the Israelis, who are not shy about using Draconian methods - still they suffer attacks. Look at our police and FBI - most definitely they punish many crime comitters, and deter many who would do wrong... but they can't prevent 100% of crimes from ever happening in the first place - it's not possible.

3: Do you believe that a nuclear weapon has in fact been smuggled into the U.S.?
I have no idea, it's possible, but just because it's going to be difficult at many levels, I wouldn't put this one as probable. If this Williams fellow actually knew anything, I think he should be working with law enforcement/homeland security, not selling books.

4: If not, do you believe that smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. is
possible?
Yep, see above

5: What preparations for such an event have you made, or what preparations will you be making?
Other than thinking a little bit about how I would respond in advance, none. Trouble is, we don't know where such an attack will occur. Odds are, no matter where I am, it won't be where I am (99.9% of citizens won't be directly affected). I am not going to uproot to the middle of nowhere just to minimize the chances of a terrorist attack including me.

6: Will you buy and read Williams' book? If not, why?
Lot of books out there, and I currently have my hands full, with a pile of books I have bought but not been able to read yet.
 
I predict that if a nuclear bomb goes off during GWB or any other Republican president's term of office, the usual suspects will still praise his performance in conducting the War on "Terror".

Even when Osama gets on TV and tells us off again - we will praise Bush's military strategy that let Osama get away!
 
Well, it's a win-win situation for the pro-Bush crowd. If a nuke goes off, it'll serve as evidence that the current infringements on civil liberties just weren't enough, as predicted, and the sequels to the PATRIOT Act will follow very swiftly.

If no nuke goes off, that serves as proof that the administration is doing a great job in the WoT.
 
I predict that if a nuclear bomb goes off during GWB or any other Republican president's term of office, the usual suspects will still praise his performance in conducting the War on "Terror".

Even when Osama gets on TV and tells us off again - we will praise Bush's military strategy that let Osama get away!

Well, it's a win-win situation for the pro-Bush crowd. If a nuke goes off, it'll serve as evidence that the current infringements on civil liberties just weren't enough, as predicted, and the sequels to the PATRIOT Act will follow very swiftly.

If no nuke goes off, that serves as proof that the administration is doing a great job in the WoT.

:rolleyes: Good grief people. Get a life. Two presidents have not captured Osama (if he's still alive). And just because someone supports Bush doesn't mean they agree with everything he does, especially the patriot act. And I see it as a lose-lose for Bush. If one happens, it's his fault it happened (nevermind the other 600 people responsible for running this country). If one doesn't happen we're just wasting lives and money fighting against it. The question wasn't "would you blame Bush?" or "how does this affect Bush?" But be sure not to miss an opportunity to bash the current president. Gotta love it. :rolleyes:
 
"al Qaeda has now established connections with the Sicilian Mafia"

This idea smells so bad that I can't believe this Fool actually put it in his book. The mob is not about to sell or give a nuc to a bunch of crazy people who will turn around and kill their customers! Unlike the government, the mafia is a profits based organization, and they are not so stupid.

And as predicted-the Bush bashers jump right in there, followed by the dem haters :rolleyes: Bottom line is that our defense was looking out, not in. Lordy, if Pearl Harbor was attacked by mutant space pygmies, I am going to put a bullet thru every tv I own because the idiots and the finger pointing would be an all new low.

Who would call a nuclear detonation in a big US city a "win-win"??????????
And we accuse the politicians of irrational statements?
 
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