Al Gore uses 18,400 kWh of electricity per month?

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The bigger the house and building the more energy it is going to use. Instead of comparing it to the average joe smoe household they should compare it to houses and buildings of the same size as his.

Not to mention the article also states:
"Kreider said the 60- to 70-year-old house is undergoing renovations to add solar panels to reduce consumption off the power grid, and energy-efficient windows have been installed. The home also uses "compact" fluorescent light bulbs and other energy-saving technology, the Gores drive hybrids and participate in two programs that indirectly reduce carbon emissions."

Sounds like he is making an effort to save energy to me!
 
I'm not saying that he wouldn't naturally use more electricity than the average Joe but using more energy in a month than twice the rate that an average American family uses in a year is pretty steep. The Bush ranch in Crawford doesn't use any electricity and he doesn't claim to be green like Gore does. Somebody with the resources that Gore does should have figured out how to use less electricity, especially if you consider his politcal stance on global warming and electricity usage.
 
Sounds like he is making an effort to save energy to me!

Yeah, sure he is. He has built a huge house that consumes a huge amount of energy. But that's OK, he is "special" and justified in consuming enormous amounts of energy that contribute more to the global warming problem than the average joe's house.

Remember, this global warming problem must be solved by prohibiting energy consumption by average american citizens and evil corporations, but certain "special" people get a pass. :rolleyes:
 
Please remember the only people ever ask to conserve and sacrifice is the
middle-class, anything else is show.
 
It's a big house, it's going to have a large power bill. If Gore wasn't living there, it's quite possible (likely?) that whoever was would consume even more electricity/energy. It sounds as if he is taking further measures to reduce consumption, and also takes measures outside his home (vehicles, programs) to further reduce emissions.

Nobody's perfect, and I'd like to see a comparison of his energy usage compared to others of similar wealth and stature.

All that said, I'm sure if you gave me a day or two at his house I could point out several steps he could take immediately to reduce consumption; after all, I (like most of us) have actually had to do so in order to be able to afford my bill. It's a great motivator.

The Bush ranch in Crawford doesn't use any electricity and he doesn't claim to be green like Gore does.

How so? I'm assuming it must be on either wind or solar, but I'm honestly curious.
 
Stop freaking out. Just because he may use more energy than you approve of given as an environmental watchdog doesn't make his message any less valid.
 
Daryl Hanna... an avid but reasonable Environmentalist... was on Hannity this morning (27 Feb)...

He asked her if she thought Al Gore was a hypocrite...

She said she didn't want to call anyone names, but if everything being said about Al Gore's use of energy is true... she would agree with Hannity...

She said something to the effect, that a representative of the Global Warming Environmentalists like Al Gore, should practice what he preaches.

SUV's, private jets, and 3 and possibly 4 mansions, were specifically mentioned...

She and Hannity had a perfectly agreeable and civil meeting...
It was refreshing to hear a mannerly discussion... for a change.

She didn't "screech" at Hannity, even once, in the entire interview...
 
That is one of four houses that he owns,and lets not forget the limmos and private Jets that he uses. In the 70's they said the ice age was coming now its warming. I remember when I was in school (long time ago) they called oil dino oil, it came from decayed dinosurs. Think about it there was once a ICE AGE that formed our montains and valleys (at least thats what I was tought) Gee what caused all that ice to disapear GLOBAL WARMING and NO suv's.
 
If he has to spend 40 units (flying jets around the country) to save 400 or 4000 (think of how many people his message has reached) then it's fine. No hypocrisy at all. Merely not being a role model for the average citizen, mostly because he doesn't just do average citizeny things.
 
If he has to spend 40 units (flying jets around the country) to save 400 or 4000 (think of how many people his message has reached) then it's fine. No hypocrisy at all. Merely not being a role model for the average citizen, mostly because he doesn't just do average citizenry things.

Good point. Also, this is a classic ad hominem attack...whether he is a hypocrite or not, his personal habits have nothing whatsoever to do with the validity of his message.

So if this thread is just about hating on Al Gore, cool. If it's about "he doesn't even conserve energy, why should I?" then you've fallen neck-deep into a huge logical fallacy.



Oh, and I totally missed this:

Fremmer said:
Yeah, sure he is. He has built a huge house that consumes a huge amount of energy. But that's OK, he is "special" and justified in consuming enormous amounts of energy that contribute more to the global warming problem than the average joe's house.

Really?

The Article said:
"Kreider said the 60- to 70-year-old house"

Wait for it..........

Wikipedia said:
Born March 31, 1948 (age 58)

So that's where all the power is going...into his giant time machine!
 
I'm sick of our employees living so much better than the rest of us.

He's not your employee anymore. Hasn't been for nearly a decade.

Also, given the level of power and responsibility of the offices, the salaries of Senators and the Vice President aren't excessive...especially consider the small number of positions. Basic economics. Plus if you want to attract well-qualified applicants, theoretically you have to offer competitive salaries. More basic economics.
 
this is a classic ad hominem attack...whether he is a hypocrite or not, his personal habits have nothing whatsoever to do with the validity of his message.
His message is NOT valid truth..its hearsay arguments by a bunch of scientists.
heh...I remember when some scientist wrote an article that said tomatoes promote cancer!!! There's a panel of scientist that refute all the bushwa about global warming. so pick a side..
While I agree that conservation of fossil fuels and the research and development of alternative fuel sources is a great idea..I WILL ridicule some stupid effete a-hole that jumps up on his soapbox, Cajoles, ridicules and extorts us to CONSERVE ..and is one of the biggest wastrels that there is. If he were REALLY serious, he'd use MASS TRANSIT...try taking a TRAIN or selling some of his mansions and buying or building something more cost efficient Selling his plane and flying first class with the rest of us schmoes.
and for those of you who defend him..its ok..you'll win in the end right? I mean, you're supporting the guy that invented the internet. I suggest though that you don't attempt to belittle someone for ridiculing an idiot..it'll leave YOUR intelligence in question.
 
and before you Jump on me and say that "al gore never said he invented the internet"...this is a TRANSCRIPT of his 2000 interview with Wolfe Blitzer.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

most people that ridicule people like Al Gore or John Kerry, or quite a few other liberals, do so because there is inherently something wrong with their arguement..and they don't want to go to lengths to argue. I on the other hand don't mind it.
:cool: come correct or don't come at all!:cool:
 
His message is NOT valid truth..its hearsay arguments by a bunch of scientists.

Yeah.....

heh...I remember when some scientist wrote an article that said tomatoes promote cancer!!! There's a panel of scientist that refute all the bushwa about global warming. so pick a side..

No, scientists aren't always correct. Then again, the "debate" over global warming is largely created by the (non-scientific) media...a majority of those scientists that refute global warming are or have been on the payrolls of energy/oil companies.

While I agree that conservation of fossil fuels and the research and development of alternative fuel sources is a great idea..I WILL ridicule some stupid effete a-hole that jumps up on his soapbox, Cajoles, ridicules and extorts us to CONSERVE ..and is one of the biggest wastrels that there is. If he were REALLY serious, he'd use MASS TRANSIT...try taking a TRAIN or selling some of his mansions and buying or building something more cost efficient Selling his plane and flying first class with the rest of us schmoes.

Mass transit? You're kidding, right? I mean, security concerns alone....after all, I hear there are a lot of gun-owning wackos that don't like him much. ;)

But seriously, that is pretty preposterous due to security concerns. And with as much traveling as he does, I'd say if he can afford a private jet more power to him. EDIT: Also, what SecDef said.

and for those of you who defend him..its ok..you'll win in the end right? I mean, you're supporting the guy that invented the internet. I suggest though that you don't attempt to belittle someone for ridiculing an idiot..it'll leave YOUR intelligence in question.

"Invented the internet," eh? Still buying that spin? I thought the sell-by date on that had long since passed...might want to give it a sniff before you drink it.
 
and before you Jump on me and say that "al gore never said he invented the internet"...this is a TRANSCRIPT of his 2000 interview with Wolfe Blitzer.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

most people that ridicule people like Al Gore or John Kerry, or quite a few other liberals, do so because there is inherently something wrong with their arguement..and they don't want to go to lengths to argue. I on the other hand don't mind it.
come correct or don't come at all!

That's not a transcript, that's a paragraph. Also, discrediting somebody personally does not necessarily invalidate their position...so while it might be fun to ridicule Al Gore (or Kerry, or anybody else) it doesn't actually prove your point.

And yes, I was well aware of what he said. But as I said, that spin has long since expired:

Wikipedia said:
1999 CNN interview

As a result of the publication of three articles in Wired News[77], Gore's 1999-03-09 interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer became the subject of heavy satire. [78] During this interview, Gore stated:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. [79]"

Media reports surrounding this statement sometimes re-wrote it, stating that Gore claimed he "invented the internet".[80] Gore received support from members of the computer industry, however, notably Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Robert E. Kahn. Cerf and Kahn issued the following statement on 2000-09-28 in response to the controversy:

"[A]s the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.
Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.[81]"


Gore, himself, poked fun at the controversy. In September 2000, as a guest on the The Late Show with David Letterman, he read a list of the "Top Ten Rejected Gore - Lieberman Campaign Slogans." Number nine on the list was: "Remember, America, I gave you the Internet, and I can take it away!" [82]

Aftermath: Apple, Google, and the Webbys

Despite the controversy, Gore continued to be involved with the computer industry. He has been a member of the board of directors of Apple Inc. since 2003 [83] [84] and serves as a Senior Advisor to Google Inc.[84] In 2005, the International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences honored Gore at the Webby Awards with the Lifetime Achievement Award "for three decades of contributions to the Internet". The Webby Awards, which are widely hailed as the Oscars of the web, "wanted to set the record straight" according to Tiffany Shlain, the awards' founder and chairwoman. She further stated, "It's just one of those instances someone did amazing work for three decades as Congressman, Senator and Vice President and it got spun around into this political mess." [85] Gore, during his acceptance speech (limited to five words according to Webby Awards rules), joked: "Please don't recount this vote".[86]

Yeah, yeah, wikipedia har har. But still, the whole "Al Gore claims to have invented the internet" argument has long been regarded by most intelligent people with reasonable critical thinking skills as silly and juvenile.
 
And I hear some of those scientists aren't even AMERICAN scientists!!!!!!

I'm gonna throw my burger king wrappers out the car door, cause I put the NUT in nutjob.

And before you attack me for being an idiot, that makes your argument weaker.

Scientists have no idea what they are talking about. *I* know because I'm somehow smart or something.

BTW, Al Gore was instrumental in pushing forward initiatives to move ARPANET forward into the Internet. Deal with it.
 
Because it was worthy of its own post:

Also, I notice nobody here has yet mentioned that part of that gigantic power bill is the extra he pays so that all those kilowatt-hours come from renewable energy sources (solar, wind, etc)...$432 a month, over double my entire bill. It's mentioned in passing in the article, but I'd say it's a pretty significant point.

Source, of course.
 
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