AK-47 & AK-74?

If you want the best off the shelf (non-custom) AK on the market, you'll be hard pressed to beat a SGL or SLR Arsenal AK. The SGL's are Russian made AK's, made in the famous Izhmash rifle factory in Russia. This is where Russian military AK's have been built since the beginning. It's like owning an actual piece of history.

Russian AK's have some of the best barrels made. They're hammer forged with chrome lining and generally produce the best accuracy. The Arsenal AK's will have some US made compliance parts such as stocks and triggers, but all the critical components are Russian made (barrel, trunions, bolt, carrier, sights, etc.).

I would much rather have a Russian AK over a Chinese AK... and I have several pre-ban Chinese AK's most people consider to be the cream of the crop (Polytech Legend for example).
 
Sturmgewehre is quite knowledgeable on this, I have watched many of his videos and only disagree with him on a few things (mainly the cheap importation of wolf 6.5 grendel) :rolleyes:

Arsenal guns are built to military spec, any AK-74/100 part out there should fit an arsenal if that part was also built to spec.

edit: I also agree, get a Saiga SGL built by arsenal if you want the top of the line. Quality control on those rifles are simply excellent.
 
Do Arsenal AK mimic the reliability under dirty environmental conditions that traditional AK's are known for?
 
Actual AK-100 synthetic foregrips SHOULD have built in heatshields. IF you are melting the handguard then you are probably also dangerously warping your barrel in the process.

A wood handguard is going to catch on fire before an AK-100 foregrip melts.

You have nothing to worry about in terms of the buttstock, that will never get hot enough for anything to happen to it, unless you are using a skeleton side folder to cook sausages over a campfire.

Do Arsenal AK mimic the reliability under dirty environmental conditions that traditional AK's are known for?
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Arsenals are traditional AKs, they are exactly the same guns being made for the russian military with the exception of a full auto switch. They are milspec, so yes they will be as reliable as any other AK that is milspec.
 
Do Arsenal AK mimic the reliability under dirty environmental conditions that traditional AK's are known for?
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Arsenal AK's are imported Russian AK's, and they are the rifles that set that reliability standard.

K-Var is the retail arm of Arsenal. I buy my Arsenals through Atlantic Firearms. If you're an AR15.com member, they give you a discount on their already good prices.
 
I have watched many of his videos and only disagree with him on a few things (mainly the cheap importation of wolf 6.5 grendel)
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You don't believe Wolf will be bringing in 6.5 Grendel ammo at less than $200 per case?
 
Whats the most common AK round and what AK would be considered the most classic...one you might find laying around in any sand-trap or sweaty jungle?
 
7.62x39 is by far the most common.

A few nations have adopted the 5.45x39 but not nearly as many as those that have adopted the 7.62x39.

Even here in the States, while the popularity of the AK74 (5.45x39) continues to climb due to the abundance of cheap surplus ammo, the 7.62x39 still reigns supreme.
 
You know, if Ruger ever thought about making an AK variant, which I doubt they have, it would have neither a milled nor a cast receiver. They would find a way to make a cast receiver.
 
You know, if Ruger ever thought about making an AK variant, which I doubt they have, it would have neither a milled nor a cast receiver. They would find a way to make a cast receiver.
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...and if Kel-Tec ever thought about making an AK, they wouldn't use stampings, machingings, or metal at all. They would make it out of polymer!

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MrAK47 has been discredited more times than one could imagine
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That idiot claims to have "spent 6+ months surviving in the bush with just what was in my pockets":rolleyes: and is full of it.

Arsenal are good to go. Some of the most respected firearms instructors/experts around (Larry Vickers for example) give them the thumbs up and thats good enough for me.;)
 
You don't believe Wolf will be bringing in 6.5 Grendel ammo at less than $200 per case?
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Nope, since I am seeing wolf 6.5 grendel selling for $13 a box at Aimsurplus. I would love it if it were $200 a case, but I can't see it coming in for any less than $.50 a round. If they did deliver it at $200 for a case of 1000, then I would buy 5 cases as soon as they hit the shore. Then I would be the first in line for one of those krebs 6.5 AKs once he offers them for sale.
 
Simply buy a Saiga for $350 and do the conversion yourself...They are excellent rifles. If you are at all handy, the conversion is pretty simple.
I just bought one in 5.45, and a case of the Russian 7n6 ammo. It shot really well. I cant wait to try it with a scope. The 5.45 seems like a real mity mite of a round...excellent for HD. I have a 7.62x39 Yugo AK and like the round a lot, but that 5.45 really steps out.
I may not do a conversion on this rifle...I kind of like the traditional sporter stock.
 
Nope, since I am seeing wolf 6.5 grendel selling for $13 a box at Aimsurplus. I would love it if it were $200 a case, but I can't see it coming in for any less than $.50 a round. If they did deliver it at $200 for a case of 1000, then I would buy 5 cases as soon as they hit the shore. Then I would be the first in line for one of those krebs 6.5 AKs once he offers them for sale.
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Well, you're in for a big surprise I think. I'm not making it up, Wolf has said they are in the process of bringing 6.5 Grendel steel cased ammo in by the end of the year for $189 (suggested retail) a case. If you don't want to believe Wolf, that's your choice I suppose. I don't know why they would be telling people in the industry this if they weren't doing it.

By the way, call up Marc Krebs and ask him about Wolf 6.5. He'll be the first to tell you Wolf is bringing the stuff in by the end of the year for $189 a case.
 
Saiga's are the rifles Arsenal uses for their SGL products. They're one in the same. So yes, as we've established, they are top quality rifles.
 
I once saw a video on TV about the differences between the M16 and the AK. The M16 was fired in an indoor range at about 50 yd with predictable accuracy. The AK was fired at the same range and was obviously defective. High speed photography showed the barrel and the receiver flexing in relation to each other. The AK was either worn beyond use, or assembled out of worn out parts.

Aside from this, the AK was never built to be especially accurate. Kalashnikov himself talks about reliability, not accuracy. The rifle was built so that ill trained and illiterate peasants could have a weapon that gave them power of massed fire over lightly armed troops. Soviet doctrine showed their troops arriving in BMPs and attacking with rifles at their hips and spraying full automatic fire in mass assaults. (I've seen the Soviet films)

In assault, accuracy is only important in the sense that most of the rounds fired go toward the enemy. Any hit is as good as a kill shot since it takes the target soldier out of the fight. Hence, tumbling bullets, ricochets, etc.

America, with its heritage of riflery demands more accuracy than the soviets did. Therefore the AR type rifles are better quality than the AKs allbeit more sensitive to dirt and requiring constant cleaning. Vietnam taught us that it is more important to have a rifle that shoots than an accurate rifle.

Assault rifles are not high quality guns, they are efficient guns.
 
Personally, I think the AK is an evolution of the submachine gun, something the Soviets originally did not believe in. But then, neither did very many other armies, who generally had a "we didn't need them in the last war and we don't need them in this one." Their experience in the war with Finland was on the wrong end of submachine gun and from then on, they were true believers.

Likewise, their experience on the wrong end of the barrel with the 7.92mmk also gave them a new insight into infantry weapons and they went in for that big time. However, part of the reason for the trends in Soviet service may have had as much to do with the poor performance, relatively speaking, of the semi-automatic rifles they fielded during the war. Either way, submachine guns were much cheaper and quicker to produce than rifles anyway. The first AKs were produced in a more traditional manner, however, probably because there was less pressure after the war was over. Eventually though, manufacturing shortcuts were introduced. There is an understandable reluctance to field extremely high quality weapons that can easily be lost or destroyed on the battlefield and sometimes the cruder ones work better anyway.
 
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