Active Shooting in Progress Midlands-Odessa, Tx

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Police think that there are two active shooters on the loose in Odessa. They shot up a Home Depot and have been shooting cars along the highway and interstate.

Use extreme caution if you are in the area. Police reccommend staying indoors.

In an update, the department posted: “We believe there are two shooters in two separate vehicles. One suspect is believed to be at the Cinergy in Midland and the other is believed to be driving on Loop 250 in Midland.
“The two vehicles in question are: gold/white small Toyota truck and a USPS Postal Van. Please stay away from these areas and stay indoors.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/31/midland-texas-shooting-odessa-home-depot

Saying over 30 people shot at this point with at least two gunmen on the loose driving around shooting people at random. One in custody.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/crime/odessa-shooter/513-17dbe2e0-4b2b-487e-91a8-281a4e6aa3b8
 
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"Cops are yet to release the identity of the dead shooter - and instead only revealed he is a white male in his 30s who was known to police."​

"...known to police." Imagine that...
 
Here we go---again

Looks like I need to head to Home Depot for pvc tubing and a shovel

We don't need gun control---we need crazy psychopath control

And yes--my condolences to the families

Sorry if I am coming off wrong--but I'm just getting sick of this.
 
Anyone seem to notice that these things tend to happen near the end of a long hot summer??

or any summer, really??
 
Anyone seem to notice that these things tend to happen near the end of a long hot summer??

or any summer, really??
Yes according to research.
At least researchers did and published a study in the Western Journal of Emergency Medicine:
(Summary of summary: Yes there is a relationship between crime and ambient temperature)
(Their summary follows)
Temperature and Violent Crime in Dallas, Texas: Relationships and Implications of Climate Change

Janet L. Gamble, PhD and Jeremy J. Hess, MD, MPH

Introduction

To investigate relationships between ambient temperatures and violent crimes to determine whether those relationships are consistent across different crime categories and whether they are best described as increasing linear functions, or as curvilinear functions that decrease beyond some temperature threshold. A secondary objective was to consider the implications of the observed relationships for injuries and deaths from violent crimes in the context of a warming climate. To address these questions, we examined the relationship between daily ambient temperatures and daily incidents of violent crime in Dallas, Texas from 1993–1999.

Methods

We analyzed the relationships between daily fluctuations in ambient temperature, other meteorological and temporal variables, and rates of daily violent crime using time series piece-wise regression and plots of daily data. Violent crimes, including aggravated assault, homicide, and sexual assault, were analyzed.

Results

We found that daily mean ambient temperature is related in a curvilinear fashion to daily rates of violent crime with a positive and increasing relationship between temperature and aggravated crime that moderates beyond temperatures of 80°F and then turns negative beyond 90°F.

Conclusion

While some have characterized the relationship between temperature and violent crime as a continually increasing linear function, leaving open the possibility that aggravated crime will increase in a warmer climate, we conclude that the relationship in Dallas is not linear, but moderates and turns negative at high ambient temperatures. We posit that higher temperatures may encourage people to seek shelter in cooler indoor spaces, and that street crime and other crimes of opportunity are subsequently decreased. This finding suggests that the higher ambient temperatures expected with climate change may result in marginal shifts in violent crime in the short term, but are not likely to be accompanied by markedly higher rates of violent crime and associated increased incidence of injury and death. Additional studies are indicated, across cities at varying latitudes that experience a range of daily ambient temperatures

(In other words, there are more optimum temperatures to be violent and other temperatures when bad guys tend to stay inside)
 
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We don't need gun control---we need crazy psychopath control

Hopefully a close look as to how he got his weapon(s)...

Whats does this current mayhem mean to ME?..that I will continue to EDC when out and about with me and mine. Not meaning I'll be the good guy and run toward the shots(NOT LEO)but strange times with lotsa weirdos with lotsa guns..
 
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It never rains but it pours. On Friday evening, 10 people were injured (9 shot, one had a seizure) when a 17-year old opened fire in a stadium following a high school football game.

It didn't make the National News because no one died but we also had six shot under the same circumstances down in Mobile. In our local town where the HS football game draws about 3-4K people the school now requires 10 police officers just to provide security for the games, a police escort to out of town games and half a dozen officers for the poorly attended off night lower classmen games. They are spending half the gate on security. It would be like the NFL hiring ten thousand police for an NFL game.

Without knowing anything about these cases other than what is in this thread I am going to take a SWAG and say all of the shooter had a drug problems. Feel free to set me straight if I am wrong.
 
It didn't make the National News because no one died but we also had six shot under the same circumstances down in Mobile. In our local town where the HS football game draws about 3-4K people the school now requires 10 police officers just to provide security for the games, a police escort to out of town games and half a dozen officers for the poorly attended off night lower classmen games. They are spending half the gate on security. It would be like the NFL hiring ten thousand police for an NFL game.

Without knowing anything about these cases other than what is in this thread I am going to take a SWAG and say all of the shooter had a drug problems. Feel free to set me straight if I am wrong.
I've found that most of the football game type shootings are gang related, be they true gangs or fringe members.
 
Another article on the Texas incident:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...month-old-child-n1048711?cid=eml_nbn_20190901

What jumps out at me is that the shooter's weapon has not yet been identified, but NBC News can't wait to mention that it "may have been a .223 AR-15 style weapon." It fits the narrative, so they can't wait to run with it -- even though it doesn't make any difference what kind of rifle he had. In an incident such as this, a Ruger Ranch Rifle would have been just as effective and just as deadly. This was not a case where the shooter was spraying out the maximum number of bullets in the shortest possible time.
 
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Without knowing anything about these cases other than what is in this thread I am going to take a SWAG and say all of the shooter had a drug problems. Feel free to set me straight if I am wrong.
I don't know any more than you, but in these cases I'm going to guess you're wrong. In the Texas incident, I'm going to guess that the shooter will be found to have been a convicted felon who was prohibited from possessing firearms, and when he was stopped he made a decision that he wasn't going to go back to prison. The Mobile shooter was 17 years old. He was probably a gang member who felt somebody had disrespected him. In the gang world, the recourse when somebody disrespects you is to cap their [bleep]. Gratuitous violence is a way of life for too many youths today. Just a couple of days ago there was an after school rumble that involved 100 kids fighting -- in the school parking lot.

How do we address that mentality? THAT's what the national discourse should be about, not how many kinds of guns we can make illegal without running afoul of the Second Amendment.
 
m going to guess that the shooter will be found to have been a convicted felon who was prohibited from possessing firearms, and when he was stopped he made a decision that he wasn't going to go back to prison. The Mobile shooter was 17 years old. He was probably a gang member who felt somebody had disrespected him. In the gang world, the recourse when somebody disrespects you is to cap their [bleep]. Gratuitous violence is a way of life for too many youths today. Just a couple of days ago there was an after school rumble that involved 100 kids fighting -- in the school parking lot.

If what you are saying is true than they were definitely on drugs and likely heavy users. From a practical standpoint all gang members and career criminals are heavy drug users.

How do we address that mentality?

It is a huge cultural divide that involves a lot of aspects that people unfamiliar with the culture of criminals in the United States don't understand. You can't change a "mentality" that receives reinforcement in family life, social life and all forms of media. It isn't so much a "mentality" as it is who people were raised to be and who they are.
 
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How do we address that mentality?
It is a huge cultural divide that involves a lot of aspects that people unfamiliar with the culture of criminals in the United States don't understand. You can't change a "mentality" that receives reinforcement in family life, social life and all forms of media. It isn't so much a "mentality" as it is who people were raised to be and who they are.
That, by definition, IS a mentality -- but a deeply ingrained mentality. And the fact that it's deeply ingrained as a result of generations of reinforcement is why it will be difficult (and maybe impossible) to correct. But that doesn't mean it isn't the problem, and it certainly doesn't mean that we as a nation should not be addressing it.
 
People are more than their way of thinking. They are who they are, this is much greater than mentality. Trying to "correct" them to your way of thinking is not truly possible. They don't truly see anything in their life that needs "correction". You are already misunderstanding what you see as a problem. What you see as a problem is a way of life for someone else.

Because so few legal gun owners are actual criminals it is very difficult for most to understand unless they work long term in a field where they have frequent contact with criminals in their element such as a landlord, paramedic, cop, etc.
 
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