When I get my CHP and start carrying on a regular basis I've already instilled it in my mind that my gun is for the protection of myself first (and those immediately in my presence) and only if I can't get out. I'm not going to go out 'searching' for the shooter. Its not my job. My job is to survive, and in my mind the best way to do that if escape is impossible is to get myself into a corner against a wall (or anywhere else someone can't come up behind me) with my gun ready. If it means it saves the other people around me, then so the better. But I'm not responsible for anyone's safety other than my own, just as they aren't responsible for me.
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- Thread starter Tennessee Gentleman
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Conn. Trooper
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This type of situation is why I hung up my Sig 220 (only holds 8+1) and started carrying a Sig 226 (15+1). With a mag holder carrying 2 extra mags, I leave the house with 46 rounds.
I would also be concerened with safety of my family first. Once they are safe, I would move to the target and engage. Remember, very few people are going to keep shooting and trying kill people if you are shooting at them. The mall shooting in Utah was stopped by an off duty cop carrying a 1911 with 7 rounds and no spares. He didnt hit the shooter, just kept him pinned until on duty cops got there. Thats a good outcome for me.
I would also be concerened with safety of my family first. Once they are safe, I would move to the target and engage. Remember, very few people are going to keep shooting and trying kill people if you are shooting at them. The mall shooting in Utah was stopped by an off duty cop carrying a 1911 with 7 rounds and no spares. He didnt hit the shooter, just kept him pinned until on duty cops got there. Thats a good outcome for me.
Double Naught Spy
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Since the number of CCW persons is growing, there is another critical facet to consider. It isn't just the cops that may shoot you. It may be some well-intentioned good samaritan who is one of the folks like we have here who has the bravado and does the running toward gunfire instead of away from it. Such a person may be just as clueless as to the goings-on before arrival, just like the cops...and shoot you because you are perceived to be the BG active shooter.
B.A.R.
I too took part in a similar police training experience being just an every day citizen with an awesome famliy member in the high ranks of one of the best police training programs in the U.S.
From my research there is an extreme condition called Body Alarm Reaction that for a number of reasons will cause extreme tunnel vision, loss of hearing, fatigue, loss of fine motor skills and much more. This being the case - it's important to practice (both at home when dry firing from holster and at the range) lowering to the ready position and concentrating on breath, awareness and basically coming back down to earth.
There are a number of cases where the PD arrives on a self defense scene and the shooter is disoriented and has put himself in great harm by not recognizing police commands etc..
While training with the police in our live fire drills part of their line command was "lower - make ready... breath...address additional threat...etc". The point is you need to be prepared for your internal response to the situation.
I'm reading a pretty good book right now called Armed Response by David Kenik. He spends a good deal of time speaking about this exact scenario. In one example an off-duty cop had drawn on 2 suspects that had just robbed a store. While experiencing B.A.R. 2 cops pulled up and not recognizing him as a cop ordered him to drop his firearm - he obliviously turned aim over at the cops and was immediately shot and killed.
I too took part in a similar police training experience being just an every day citizen with an awesome famliy member in the high ranks of one of the best police training programs in the U.S.
From my research there is an extreme condition called Body Alarm Reaction that for a number of reasons will cause extreme tunnel vision, loss of hearing, fatigue, loss of fine motor skills and much more. This being the case - it's important to practice (both at home when dry firing from holster and at the range) lowering to the ready position and concentrating on breath, awareness and basically coming back down to earth.
There are a number of cases where the PD arrives on a self defense scene and the shooter is disoriented and has put himself in great harm by not recognizing police commands etc..
While training with the police in our live fire drills part of their line command was "lower - make ready... breath...address additional threat...etc". The point is you need to be prepared for your internal response to the situation.
I'm reading a pretty good book right now called Armed Response by David Kenik. He spends a good deal of time speaking about this exact scenario. In one example an off-duty cop had drawn on 2 suspects that had just robbed a store. While experiencing B.A.R. 2 cops pulled up and not recognizing him as a cop ordered him to drop his firearm - he obliviously turned aim over at the cops and was immediately shot and killed.
Jermtheory
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The worst scenario is when our family gets separted at the mall, such as the girls shopping for dresses and I'm in the Craftsman area of Sears at the other end of the mall...then everybody to the outside then to the vehicle to meet and be accounted for.
this is the only type of scenario where i can imagine moving toward gunfire.i would head straight for their last known location(or where they were going) while trying to confirm via cell.
i still wouldnt "hunt" him(assuming a male),but if he was between me and mine...we're going to meet.
meeting at the car is a great idea,but if i couldnt reach them by phone to be certain they're able to do so,im going directly to them.
aside from that type of situation,this is definately one area where im happy to "let the professionals(in large groups) handle it".short of the clouds opening up and a golden opportunity presenting itself...or my family needing me?
no thanks.
im not going into the unknown...as an unknown...with just myself and my CCP.