tahunua001- I suggest you look up the Hornady FTX bullet and Leverevolution ammo. Higher BC, more velocity, and heavier than Lapua's 123gr load for the 7.62x39. Also, FMJ is a terrible choice for hunting.
Accuracy comparison: 336 vs Sks?
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tahunua001
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I never said anything about FMJ. FTX and lever evolutions are good options if you can get them to work however due to the longer bullet lengths the cases on lever evolutions have to be cut shorter and the soft plastic tips do not lend themselves to proper feeding. I have attempted to use FTX in rifles chambered in 45ACP and 44 mag and have tried using factory lever evolution ammo in a 357 carbine and it does not feed reliably in any of those guns. therefore I do not recommend FTX or any ammu that it is loaded in. therefore with no other tube save spitzer bullets available, the 7.62x39 offers a huge advantage with speer deep curl, hornady SST, or nosler accubond bullet options.
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When you compare the 7.62x39 to pistol rounds, yeah, it's better. But we're not talking about pistol rounds here. LE 30-30 beats anything you can come up with for 7.62x39. Cases don't have to be cut for 30-30 (that's big bore only). It works great and is accurate in my '82 336c and '47 94. I won't bother using anything else in those guns anymore.
tahunua001
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I am not comparing 7.62x39 to pistol rounds, this is the second time that you have quoted me as saying something that I did not. it seems that you refuse to actually read my posts. I am saying that since every rifle in every caliber that I have ever used with FTX ammo has failed to function properly, I see little reason to recommend it in 30-30 which has very similar ballistic qualities to 7.62x39. 357, 44, 45ACP, or 30-30. these rifles are designed to feed blunted or round nose bullets and when you try to shove a bullet that is longer, more pointed, and has a soft plastic rubber tip instead of copper or lead, it tends to bind up and causes failures to feed. just because you have never had a problem with it does not mean that it is a good ammunition option. as such, there are no other spitzer profile bullets out there that are safe to be loaded into the 336 and therefore the x39 has a wider range of ammo with higher ballistic coefficients due as it can take, and was designed with spitzer bullets in mind.
so far I have just been stating personal experience from a generally wide sample group and you are refusing to see reason and are simply telling me that I am wrong based on your successes with on a more limited sample group that you were able to make work. if you like FTX ammo, that is great, good for you. I wish you much luck with your hunting however when someone states through personal experience that it is not the greatest thing since sliced bread, please do not try to shift attention away by changing the subject to make it seem as if they are a blathering idiot(IE claiming that they are recommending full metal jackets for hunting or comparing pistols to rifles)
so far I have just been stating personal experience from a generally wide sample group and you are refusing to see reason and are simply telling me that I am wrong based on your successes with on a more limited sample group that you were able to make work. if you like FTX ammo, that is great, good for you. I wish you much luck with your hunting however when someone states through personal experience that it is not the greatest thing since sliced bread, please do not try to shift attention away by changing the subject to make it seem as if they are a blathering idiot(IE claiming that they are recommending full metal jackets for hunting or comparing pistols to rifles)
Gunplummer
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Instead of trying to "Soup up" mild rounds, why not just go up the scale a little bit?
tahunua001
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FTX is the bullet that comes loaded in lever evolution ammo. it's actually quite expensive as far as reloading components go. you just about buy pre loaded soft point ammo for the same price as non loaded FTX.
Your bias is showing again.
Loaded LE 30-30 is more at about $22/20. You can save about 30% and get the cheapest loaded 30-30 ammo for $15/20.
Non loaded FTX bullets fur about $30/100, Cast lead bullets are around $19/100. Again, not much more than 30% less. If you want gas checks you can add $5 to that price and the difference is less than 20%.
Jack O'Conner
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SKS carbines are known for their reliablility and not for their tack driving accurasy. Cheap WOLF ammo will typically group into 3.5 inches at 100 yards but Winchester Power Point ammo delivers better accuracy.
Marlin's 30-30 is a more powerful rifle. The 170 grain bullet is in a different class all together than 7.62mm X 39. That being said, both cartridges will take down deer at typical forest distances. After all, deer are not armor-plated. Most Marlin's will group 2 inches or better at 100 yards with scope sight and just about any brand of ammo.
Good hunting to you.
Jack
Marlin's 30-30 is a more powerful rifle. The 170 grain bullet is in a different class all together than 7.62mm X 39. That being said, both cartridges will take down deer at typical forest distances. After all, deer are not armor-plated. Most Marlin's will group 2 inches or better at 100 yards with scope sight and just about any brand of ammo.
Good hunting to you.
Jack
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Thanks for your input. i have read of someone pulling the steel case bullets and using their own powder measure to redistribute the factory powder evenly back into cases, reseat, then factory crimp. I could do that for a small batch if hunting ammo. It worked for that one anecdote
Thanks for your input. i have read of someone pulling the steel case bullets and using their own powder measure to redistribute the factory powder evenly back into cases, reseat, then factory crimp. I could do that for a small batch if hunting ammo. It worked for that one anecdote
My 336 in 30-30 will hold its own with most bolt actions as far as accuracy goes, at least with Remington 170 grain. It is accurate. It may be the exception, admittedly 1 rifle is a small sample.
My dad bought it new in 1968, and gave it to me for my 15th birthday. I will never forget the day I was confirming zero on the farm back in Pennsylvania before the deer season opener. I was shooting it off the bench at 85 yards. A feed delivery truck driver walked over to me and started talking as his truck was unloading feed. He saw my 30-30, and started yakking about how he had a Model 70 in .270 and how it was more accurate than a 30-30. I shot another round, and we walked to the target. I had a one inch black square, and centered in that black square was one hole, enlarged enough to tell that three bullets had passed through, not even what you would call a cloverleaf, more like an oval. He was speechless. That was unusual, would be hard pressed to do it again, but If I did my part, I could keep 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. I had it scoped at that time, now I have a Lyman receiver sight on it.
My dad bought it new in 1968, and gave it to me for my 15th birthday. I will never forget the day I was confirming zero on the farm back in Pennsylvania before the deer season opener. I was shooting it off the bench at 85 yards. A feed delivery truck driver walked over to me and started talking as his truck was unloading feed. He saw my 30-30, and started yakking about how he had a Model 70 in .270 and how it was more accurate than a 30-30. I shot another round, and we walked to the target. I had a one inch black square, and centered in that black square was one hole, enlarged enough to tell that three bullets had passed through, not even what you would call a cloverleaf, more like an oval. He was speechless. That was unusual, would be hard pressed to do it again, but If I did my part, I could keep 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. I had it scoped at that time, now I have a Lyman receiver sight on it.
My 336 in 30-30 will hold its own with most bolt actions as far as accuracy goes, at least with Remington 170 grain. It is accurate. It may be the exception, admittedly 1 rifle is a small sample.
My dad bought it new in 1968, and gave it to me for my 15th birthday. I will never forget the day I was confirming zero on the farm back in Pennsylvania before the deer season opener. I was shooting it off the bench at 85 yards. A feed delivery truck driver walked over to me and started talking as his truck was unloading feed. He saw my 30-30, and started yakking about how he had a Model 70 in .270 and how it was more accurate than a 30-30. I shot another round, and we walked to the target. I had a one inch black square, and centered in that black square was one hole, enlarged enough to tell that three bullets had passed through, not even what you would call a cloverleaf, more like an oval. He was speechless. That was unusual, would be hard pressed to do it again, but If I did my part, I could keep 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. I had it scoped at that time, now I have a Lyman receiver sight on it.
My dad bought it new in 1968, and gave it to me for my 15th birthday. I will never forget the day I was confirming zero on the farm back in Pennsylvania before the deer season opener. I was shooting it off the bench at 85 yards. A feed delivery truck driver walked over to me and started talking as his truck was unloading feed. He saw my 30-30, and started yakking about how he had a Model 70 in .270 and how it was more accurate than a 30-30. I shot another round, and we walked to the target. I had a one inch black square, and centered in that black square was one hole, enlarged enough to tell that three bullets had passed through, not even what you would call a cloverleaf, more like an oval. He was speechless. That was unusual, would be hard pressed to do it again, but If I did my part, I could keep 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. I had it scoped at that time, now I have a Lyman receiver sight on it.