Accidental Shooting By CCW Holder

I don't know about this incident's locale, but here in Florida you have to take a very simple, basic safety course to get a CCW, unless you can produce a military discharge certificate (DD214). Most of these courses concentrate on "how not to shoot yourself in the foot". There are much better courses, like LFI, but Joe Average would rather save his money and take the one day Homer Simpson course.

If we have to have a training requirement for CCW, and I think it's a good idea, there ought to be a minimum standard curriculum that covers not just gun safety but proper carry techniques. The guy in the incident sounds like he was carrying the pistol loose in his pocket, which is not recommended procedure. (Why is it people will shell out $300 - $800 for a weapon and can't go $40 on a decent holster?)

I think I'll start another thread about what should be included in a really good basic CCW course for Joe and Jane Average.
 
The N/D happened at a Louisville, Ky movie theater. There was nothing about it in the paper today. It was a feature story on the local television news last night. The type of pistol was not mentioned in the news story. I'll watch again tonight and if they identify the firearm, I post it later.
There was a story in the paper regarding a young boy who found a .25 caliber handgun, played with it and shot himself in the palm of his left hand.

Will

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Well...at least the story wasn't on the local TV news again tonight. However, there was a drive-by shooting in Louisville's west end last night. A 12 year old girl was killed as she slept on the couch. Many shell casings found at the site led LEO's to believe that fully automatic, high power rifles were used in the crime. No witnesses.

Sigh,
Will

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Mendacity is the system we live in.
 
I think I heard on WHAS11 that the gun was a .22 Deringer and that both barrels discharged hitting a bystander and the man carring. Carry a quality gun and carry it properly.

Later
Daren
 
This is one of my pet peeves about why some manufacturer can't make a quality and safe
little hand gun for $75 bucks.

The least expensive quality guns I know of are the NAA minirevolvers at about $150.

I know poor folk who could really use a cheap good gun and not a piece of crap Lorcin.

A good 22 derringer with a decent safety must doable for that money.

Note, stopping power isn't the issue in this discussion.
 
Glenn,
I'm with you 100% on this one. It is not only the wealthy who have the RKBA.

I'd also like to see the CHL fee about $25 for four years.
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BTW, some years ago I had to buy three guns to get the one I wanted (package deal). One of the three was a small RG .22 revolver.

It's ugly, has plastic grips, and the double action trigger pull feels like 20 lbs!

But the single action is quite good and it has never failed to work.

Personally, I can't hit well with it, but my old boss grouped six .22LR HPs into 8-10" at fifteen yards.

I use it with shot shells for snakes. Works quite well.
 
Clownfish,

The question you raise implies there would never be a need to use a firearm while going to the movies(including travel to and from) so why carry there? I think there is ample evidence that anything can happen, anytime, anywhere. A movie theater? Why not, lots of people, concentrated area, disoriented by darkness, etc. Someone wanting to target a bunch of people might think it to be a great place to "shop."

Reverse the logic and ask, if I feel a need to carry a gun in some places, but not others, why am I going to those area's at all, excluding, of course, being compelled by matters of life and death to enter there?

Legally, one will be better able to explain carrying everywhere, all the time(disclaimer:wherever legal) as a matter of general precaution implied with CCW rather than having to explain spot carry due to an area's perceived dangers.

"So Mr. ConditionRed, could you please tell the court why, if you thought it was so dangerous that you specifically needed to carry a gun that day, did you go there at all? Were you looking for trouble?"

If it's worth carrying at all, it's worth carrying all the time.

Chris..
 
Dennis, you are right about the fee!

I recall that the argument was that the program had to be self supporting and not a burden on the tax payers. This is a mixed argument, philosophically. The fee is a burden on some, even with the reduction for
the poorer folks but should general taxes pay for the program?

I don't know. Duh - today.

I just know I've meet poor women struggling to make a living to whom an expensive gun is a month's salary.
 
"Quality" Guns are not alway expencive

These are SGN Prices so add 5-15% depending on dealer

from KY IMPORTS Louisville KY

Beretta Mod 21 22lr $169 Good reviews for a .22

CZ-50 in Excellent condition $130 - Have one it is very nice gun just hard to find parts


FEG Mark II 22lr $140 (FEG has a good rep)

Romanian AP-74 32acp $130 (in Exec cond)your basic walther/Makarov clone in with alloy frame

and from SOG in Ohio

Bulgarian Mil-issue 9x18 Makarov $130 (a great pistol)

East German (DDR) 9x18 Makarov $160

PA-63 9x18Mak wiht alloy frame $110

CZ-70 (refined CZ-50) $80.00

and for you HIGH BROWS ;) Walther PP 32acp $270

I belive that all of these are double action and have good safties on them.

True none of these are Glock or Sig's but I would be willing to bet that NOBODY will ask to have one shot in there direction.
 
Wonder what the cost to the state is for Vermont-style "concealed carry"?

Buy your own chains.

I'm glad to be able to afford CHL; but many can't and none should have to pay.

A gun registration system in the US will be expensive. We don't have it now, so nobody pays. I wonder how much we will end up paying for the "cost to society for owning guns"?


Battler.
 
"Why the f@ck is there need to bring a firearm to a movie theatre???"

I imagine that some folks at Lubby's thought the same way.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Luby's in Killeen TX.

You can find it on the web. Basically a looney drove his truck into a cafeteria and started shooting folk using Glocks, IIRC. Some ran, some died like sheep curled up in a ball.
Some attacked him unarmed and died.

It was a crucial incident in energizing the debate for CHL in TX. Dr. Hupp was there and could have stopped him except that her gun was in the car as she could not legally carry. Saw her loved ones die.

It is a case that should be thrown in the face of every HCI type person in a debate rather than raving about the UN (sorry).

The only answer is that if we got rid of all guns this wouldn't happen. That is laughable.

It also shows Clown that you are at risk in the most innocuous places. Like the movies.
It is a low probability risk but it's there.

If you don't carry in the movies, just why bother at all.

Do you strap on your gun when you just go to high crime areas? Give me a break.
 
THe shooting was at Tinsltown I believe. And they have a (Illgeal I believe) sign up that says no Firearms. I have Sent numerous letters to them complianing about this. I think there are some guidelines in KY on what the sign has to be and all they have is a 2x2 picture of a gun with a slash through it.
 
IN KY a CCDW holder can leagally take his/her firearm into a place that has a no weapons sign. If discovered they must leave or they can then be fined. This man , and I have not followed the story very close, is going to be charged with wanton endangerment. I really do not think the criminal charge will stick, but I would hate to see what is going to happen in civil court.

Later
DAren
 
Daren do you have a link to that. I really want to see that so I can shove it in someones face LOL. THey have been calling me a lier on that very fact.. ANd I want proof..
 
Yep you are correct. it is NOT a criminal act. That is the exact wording. You just made me 50 bucks LMAO thanks
 
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