leadcounsel
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Violated about 3 critical rules here... not checking the chamber, being careless and not respecting the tool, and pointing it at his leg.
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Accidental Discharge with injury
- Thread starter VegaSSG32
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2) Rack the slide to the rear three times. Don't try to capture or catch the round in the chamber, just let it go; you can pick it up when you're done (and if more than one round comes out, you obviously missed Step One).
Why not? It's very easy to place your hand over the slide opening, tilt gun to side, rack the slide and catch. I do it quite often and have never had a problem. What am I missing?
Theohazard
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southjk said:Why not? It's very easy to place your hand over the slide opening, tilt gun to side, rack the slide and catch. I do it quite often and have never had a problem. What am I missing?Theohazard said:Rack the slide to the rear three times. Don't try to capture or catch the round in the chamber, just let it go; you can pick it up when you're done (and if more than one round comes out, you obviously missed Step One).
Many instructors - especially law enforcement instructors - teach this for a few reasons, one being that there are cases of the round getting stuck in the ejection port and being fired by the ejector when the gun is cleared this way. But the main reason is that turning the gun and cupping the round in your palm is a more complicated procedure where the gun is more likely to be pointed in an unsafe direction during the process.
The method of clearing a handgun I described has been found to be more foolproof than other methods. Not to say you can't be safe doing it another way, but the way I described is better for most people.
Why do people seem to think that it's a dangerous requirement to pull the trigger to dis-assemble a Glock, but seem to have no qualms about having to do the exact same thing for the past 64 years to dis-assemble one of the most popular pistols ever made, the Ruger Standard Mk I, Mk II, or Mk III?
Thanks for all the comments. Ive handled many different types of weapons, and dont see a problem with pulling the trigger to disassemble a weapon. But i have been handling firearms since i can remember.
Talked to his father today, some nerve damage but nothing too major. All and all i find him to be extremely lucky.
Not really on the topic but to me, the Sig or at least the ones i own, are the easiest pistols to field strip. But i don't recommend them to many people because there is no safety what so ever
But the method is.
Drop the mag
Lock the slide back
Inspect the chamber
Turn the slide release 90degrees
release the slide and its off.
I can do it with one hand once the slide is locked back.
Thanks again for all the comments.
Talked to his father today, some nerve damage but nothing too major. All and all i find him to be extremely lucky.
Not really on the topic but to me, the Sig or at least the ones i own, are the easiest pistols to field strip. But i don't recommend them to many people because there is no safety what so ever
But the method is.
Drop the mag
Lock the slide back
Inspect the chamber
Turn the slide release 90degrees
release the slide and its off.
I can do it with one hand once the slide is locked back.
Thanks again for all the comments.
Theohazard
New member
Why? In my opinion a SIG is safer than almost any other handgun for two reasons: One, there is no safety; and two, the first trigger pull is a long, heavy DA pull.VegaSSG32 said:But i don't recommend them to many people because there is no safety what so ever
Way too many people don't practice good gun handling skills. They put their finger on the trigger the moment they pick up a gun, and they use the gun's safety to make the gun safe. Well, safeties fail. Safeties get left off by accident. But, in my experience, if a person knows there is no safety on their gun, they're far more likely to handle the gun safely and keep their finger off the trigger because they know if they pull the trigger the gun will fire. And at the same time the first trigger pull on a SIG is long and heavy enough that it's hard to pull it by accident even if you're being negligent and keeping your finger inside the trigger guard.
Here's a perfect example in the "Condition 2" thread going on in the Tactics and Training forum:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535375&page=2
In post #38 a situation is described where a person shot himself when his gun's safety malfunctioned. Well, that means he probably put his finger on the trigger and pressed the trigger while he was pointing the gun at himself, which is a classic example of someone handling a gun in a completely negligent manner and relying on the guy's safety to make the gun safe, instead of just handling the gun in a safe manner.
That's why the safety rules are redundant -- if you violate one, you should still avoid injury. Here, he violated a couple.
This is not a Glock issue - this is a gun handling issue. He left a round in the chamber. It was going to go off the next time the trigger was pulled, regardless of what brand of pistol it was in. Clear the pistol properly. And then keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. It doesn't matter what name is on the slide.
Originally by Theohazard
^^This.
I guess it's just a matter of how you look at it. Some people like safeties. I on the other hand assume my pistol is always loaded (it is), so there is never a feeling of "no worries, the safety is on".
I do agree though that it's the easiest pistol to field strip. I love how quick & easy it is.
Why? In my opinion a SIG is safer than almost any other handgun for two reasons: One, there is no safety; and two, the first trigger pull is a long, heavy DA pull.
^^This.
I guess it's just a matter of how you look at it. Some people like safeties. I on the other hand assume my pistol is always loaded (it is), so there is never a feeling of "no worries, the safety is on".
I do agree though that it's the easiest pistol to field strip. I love how quick & easy it is.
I see no difference from a safety standpoint in various designs when considering cleaning. Taking apart a loaded gun accidently, because you can by design, is no safer than having to drop the hammer before you begin taking a gun apart. From a design intent view the intent is for the gun to be unloaded no matter the sequence of disassembly.
Of course, if someone else picks up your safetiless gun and pulls the trigger it will fire, but the "less safe" gun with the safety, if it's engaged, will not. Safeties are somewhat proprietary, as to location, direction of movement to engage and disengage, and I consider the presence of a manual safety to be another layer of safety for me, if my gun finds its way into the wrong hands. Point-and-squirt puts everyone equally in danger.