About to buy a Glock 27

because it's difficult to hang onto and to maintain a consistent grip with.
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I'm working with someone right now who has this problem. The guy's got big hands and is having a tough time with the support hand staying put during recoil. I'm trying to get him to try a G23 if he wants to stick with the .40.

As for the 2-finger grip, there are the Pearce grip extending magazine floorplates available which give you a purchase for your little finger. I use them on my G29 magazines and find it makes quite a difference.

I guess the word is: go shoot it and see if it fits! Put plenty of full-power loads through it.

- Gabe
 
Bad things about the 27?

From the I'll-Find-Something-Bad-About-Anything Department:

A less-than-ergonomic grip compared to some other pistols. The palm swell is, in my opinion, too high and exaggerated. I also humbly suggest a Pearce extension for anything other than deepest concealment or strict backup. Regardless, a few hundred rounds will make their presence felt in your palm eventually.

By Glock standards, it's a little muzzle-flippy. Nothing uncontrollable, though.

kB fears (Your call. Do the research and decide whom you believe.)

A wee bit thick for deep concealment.

Personal experience? Mine has been trustworthy and surprisingly accurate. If I had it to do over again, I might opt for a 26 but ONLY because I'm a non-reloading cheapskate who likes cheap 9mm for practice.
 
1. I am gonna have to disagree with Handy. The Glocks won't fire out of battery. You CAN pull the trigger and release the striker while it's out of battery, BUT if the slide is not closed, the striker can't hit the primer with enough force to detonate it.

2. The G27 is a pretty good weapon - I've had one for several years. But I much prefer the G23 (1/2" longer and 1/2" taller and holds 4 more rounds).

3. If you get the G27, you really need to get the Pearce grip extender or the Pearce +1 grip extender. Either way, you'll end up close to the size of the G23 and you'll still have fewer rounds.
 
Dawg,
Gotta disagree with your disagreement.

I just did the "pencil test" with a pencil placed vertically in the barrel of a G19, eraser down. Dry firing with the slide fully in battery and held back about 1/8" drove the pencil up with about the same force. This is the point where the barrel just begins to pivot down and unlocks. I would suggest anyone who doesn't believe that simply try it

You'll pardon me for not attempting this with live ammo.

I'm not the first to report the possibility of firing out of battery, it's been said by more knowledgeable folks for years. I don't think it's an issue as long as the round makes it all the way into the chamber-hence my love of tapered cased cartridges with Glocks.

If necessary to prove the point, I'll do it with a primed case, just let me know.
 
With regard to Glock pistols,

First of all, I will state unequivocally from experience:

GLOCK HANDGUNS IN PROPER WORKING ORDER WILL NOT FIRE OUT OF BATTERY.

Second unequivocal point:

GLOCKS WILL KABOOM WITH LOADS THAT WILL ALSO BLOW UP OTHER HANDGUNS. NO MORE, NO LESS.

All of the kB I have seen have demonstrated a catastrophic barrel or chamber failure. I have heard many people state that the .40 will blow up, because it's "unsupported".

GUESS WHAT? THE GLOCK .40 CHAMBER IS SUPPORTED JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER .40 CHAMBER.

How trustworthy is the Glock?

I work for a police department that allows us free reign in choosing our service pistols. The only restriction is that it must be .38 caliber/9mm or above.

I have my choice of handguns to carry. What do I choose?

The Glock 22.

I have fired literally thousands of rounds through this pistol. It has NEVER failed to fire--NOT ONCE!! And, I have shot everything from Federal American Eagle to my own handloads shooting 135 grain bullets with heaping helpings of Power Pistol.

Is it accurate?

I clean my department's qualification course with it.

Oh, by the way, want to know about my backup gun?

It's a Glock 27.

I have carried that gun on my body armor, right next to the sweat factory. At the end of the day, during the summer I have seen drops of sweat literally fall from the weapon when I unholster it at the end of the day. But--no rust. Not one spot.

It is deadly accurate out to 10-15 yards. Good enough for me.

So, you want a G27?? Buy it!

I STAKE MY LIFE, AND THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE I PROTECT AND SERVE EVERY DAY WITH TWO GLOCK HANDGUNS.

By the way, I'm also a certified Glock armorer.

Nuff said.
 
I own a Glock 27 and a Kahr MK-9. Both are great guns. The Glock 27 gets 99% of my carrying duties. I really can't say a bad thing about it. It's as effective as a full sized gun in it's performance.
 
glock talk

first let me say up front that glocks are ok pistols as long as you shoot factory ammo.i cant afford it so i shoot reloads.my 27 kaboomed three times.i could clearly see the brass had failed in the web.the bullet is not supported enough .i bought another type of barrel and it worked fine.after that ,i was scared of it and sold it.i bought a para.ord. which was15 shot and very beefed up barrel.i see a lot of experts using the glock so it must be ok.but when that round goes off in your hand and you have to pick up the pieces with a magnet you start to wonder.if you are brave enough,fire away.



swab
 
First I am not a gunsmith nor am I a certified armorer. Secondly, I own a G27.

Having said that, I doubt that:

GLOCK HANDGUNS IN PROPER WORKING ORDER WILL NOT FIRE OUT OF BATTERY.


I do agree that they are not designed to fire out of battery. Yet if you can take a perfectly well functioning Glock and as Handy said - pull the slide back and force it to fire out of battery - it just did. Now it is an odds issue. The odds say that it will not fire out of battery - but if the weapon allows for it - it can happen.

Secondly, The Glocks won't fire out of battery. You CAN pull the trigger and release the striker while it's out of battery, BUT if the slide is not closed, the striker can't hit the primer with enough force to detonate it.

Like I said I am no expert - but logically this does not make sense. The striker / pin is located in the breach face, the face / slide move forward and strip a round from the mag and forces it up the feed ramp and into battery. It is a timing issue. Thus bringing us back to the odds. Any issues which increase the time it takes to allow the round to full seat into the pipe - increase the odds of a KB. Thus bullet shape, quality of brass, etc come into play.

I just tried to force my HK to fire out of battery as Handy suggested. The HK will not fire out of battery

Like I said - I have a G27 and carry it most of the time. However this KB thing makes me ask questions.

So - any insight?
 
Swabjockey:

With Blazer (factory) .40 caliber ammo selling for $6.60/box (50 rounds), you must shoot an AWFUL lot to justify shooting reloads.

My Glocks are fairly expensive (for me), so I never shoot anything except factory ammo. Irrespective of the barrel or pistol, I don't consider the minor savings on reloads to be worth it.
 
Mo Zam Beek:

I'm no expert, and I'm not an armorer of any description (Glocks or any other make).

So, when I have questions like this, I talk to folks that I consider to be knowledgeable. In this case I called Glockmeister (toll free @1-888-456-2563).

Ben Paz is "the Glockmeister." His credentials are pretty impressive - former member of Israeli Special Forces, former Israeli Secret service agent, and then five years as employee of Glock.

Ben has never (to my knowledge) given me any bad advice. So when he tells me that the Glocks will not fire out of battery, I rely on that. I would suggest that you call him at the toll free number listed above and ask him to explain this further.

You may also want to call the Glock factory (770-432-1202) and ask for Chad Mathis (supervisor of their warranty repairs department).

Again, I'm no expert. So I'm not arguing or debating - just providing the basis of my opinion.

Dawg23
 
You know, an expert is someone who's knowledge proves to be practically useful and stands up to experience.

Any Glock expert should tell you that a Glock is capable of firing out of battery because it can. I just did it.

I took a fired 9mm casing, seated a Winchester Small Pistol Primer to the correct depth and loaded it into the chamber of a second generation Glock 19 serial #HB0xx US. Wearing eye and ear protection, I held the slide back 1/8" from full battery and pulled the trigger. It went off.

Afterward, I had trouble extracting. This turned out to be due to the primer bulging out of it's pocket and into the firing pin hole, preventing it from unlocking. No doubt this was caused by excessive headspace upon firing. The extractor kept the casing close enough to fire the primer but loose enough for the primer to expand back.

To confirm there was no problem with my 19, I did the pencil test with my brother's 3rd gen. 19 and 26. Both nocked the pencil out of the barrel starting from 1/8" out of battery.

So, if a Glock happens to not be in full battery, has live ammunition and the case is even less supported than normal due to excessive headspace, what's going to happen?

I say the slide will unlock from the barrel early and the pressure will go somewhere, probably through the most unsupported part of the case.

Am I worried? No. I only own a 9mm Glock, whose feed reliability with that slim, tapered cartridge is legendary.

I'm not predicting every .40 Glock will blow up. But a fair number have while firing this blocky, compromise cartridge. There are grounded, scientific reasons some fear .40 Glock pistols.
 
DIDN'T KNOW GLOCKS USE BATTERIES

Okay, here goes: Get the M27 (shudder).

Used a few for short-forty ammo development, taught me correct non-L.E. ammo for defense is a 135g JHP (mine, natch).

Good gun, just hang on.

(My idea of a compact carry gun is a 5" 1911.)

Look here: http://markco.gunsnet.net
 
Glock 27

Rick, I see no reason whatsoever that you should not buy a Glock 27 ;)
I have one and love it, It made a Glock believer out of me!
I use mine for CCW and take it to the range everytime I go. Now I can't tell you how many rounds have been through it, I don't shoot the crap out of it, but I do shoot it, it gets cleaned and lubed after every outing, and I've yet to have one problem with it!:)
I like it, It works for me ;)
 
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