? about semi-autos

[waymor51]

great advice guys! think i will just settle down with what i have. thanks for all the suggestions .

 

[Nodak1858]

I never understood why someone would dump a lot of money on a new pistol then spend money and time trying to fix "issues" out of the box. If it won't run correctly send it in to get the manufacturer to fix it. The only ones I've done anything with are mil surplus ones, and that is usually just changing out old springs. Just me but I expect anything to work correctly when it's new.

 

[buckhorn_cortez]

seems like every time i buy a pistol i like you always have to buy something to make it better.

No - you don't. If you're satisfied with the gun's performance out of the box, then there is no reason to change anything

However, not all guns are the best they can be from the manufacturer for everyone.

As an example, I bought a S&W Model 625 Jerry Miculek revolver that was supposed to be put together by the S&W Custom Shop. I didn't personally like several things about the gun and had them fixed to meet MY requirements for the gun.

Both the double action and single action trigger pulls were atrocious at 10.5 lbs DA and 9 lbs SA. With some work, the trigger is now 7.5 lbs DA and 5.0 lbs SA.

The cylinder's chambers were not chamfered making loading the gun with the moon clips difficult as you had to vigorously wiggle the loaded clip as you pushed it toward the cylinder. The chamfered chambers make the gun load far easier with just a push as the bullets self-center over the chambers.

Lastly, the crown on the barrel looked like it was done with a chop saw and I had the barrel squared and crowned properly.

Would the gun work without all of the modifications? Sure. Would it work the way I wanted it to work? No. I fixed it to meet MY requirements.

On the other hand, some guns need no improvement for my use. My SIG P229, P938, HK P30 & VP9, Springfield EMP and several 1911's are still stock as delivered by the manufacturer as they work fine for my use.

The flip side to that is my FN SLP shotgun. It has had extensive work done by SRM Performance and works much better than it did when stock from the manufacturer.

That's all many people are doing with their guns - making them work the way they want them to work.

There is no requirement to modify a gun unless there is something you feel could be improved for your use. If there is - fix it if you choose. If not - leave it alone

 

[DMK]

i got an M&P 9, you need to buy a APEX kit to make it right. i got an cz75 po-1 after great reviews then i saw on cz forum you need to buy a trigger job and springs or something. is there any semi auto you can buy that you can get and just leave it alone. lol. all i need it for home & carry.

I have a number of CZ-75s, (including a CZ-75 PCR which is my primary carry gun) as well as a S&W M&P Shield. All have stock triggers and I'm very happy with them. I purchased the Apex trigger for my M&P Shield, but decided that the stock trigger is just fine and I don't need an upgrade, so I'll be selling that.


Stock guns are fine. Some folks just like to accessorize their gadgets and toys.

That said, I did change the sights on my PCR and Shield, but that was a personal preference, not a necessity.

 

[AK103K]

Stock guns are fine. Some folks just like to accessorize their gadgets and toys.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Stock guns with factory night sights (if available), a bunch of extra mags, a decent holster, and lots of ammo.

About the only other thing I might do, is either stipple the grips, or change out the panels for something a bit more rough. My hands are rough and callused, and most factory grips tend to slide around in them, especially when wet.

I prefer function over fancy, but theres nothing wrong with fancy, if its functional, and you like it.

 

[buckhorn_cortez]

Stock guns are fine. Some folks just like to accessorize their gadgets and toys.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Stock guns with factory night sights (if available), a bunch of extra mags, a decent holster, and lots of ammo.

And "some folks" want the gun to perform better, and are not concerned with style points.

Some aspects of gun modification go beyond being "accessories" and aid in making the gun function better.

As another example, I have two Ruger #1 rifles. The classic problem with a #1 rifle is vertical stringing as the barrel heats up due to the barrel expanding and pushing against the forearm.

Since the forearm is separate from the stock, glass bedding is not a good answer. The simple modification is sanding the interior of the forearm creating a larger radius and clearance from the barrel.

Hardly an "accessory" involved in that modification.

 

[T. O'Heir]

"...you need to buy a trigger job..." Isn't just CZ's. All new firearms require a trigger job out of the box due to frivolous law suits.
"...Jerry Miculek revolver..." Marketing. Especially as he used a stock M28, I think it was, to do all his really fast shootin'.
"...They do break in nicely with use...." That is 'wear', not breaking in.

 

[AK103K]

"...you need to buy a trigger job..." Isn't just CZ's. All new firearms require a trigger job out of the box due to frivolous law suits.

Im more of the thought its a shooter issue than it is a trigger/gun issue, but thats not generally a popular thought these days, and I usually catch hell for saying it.

I can only think of three factory guns that Ive bought in the last 40 years or so, specifically, a Springfield 1911 and two Ruger Blackhawks, that had triggers that needed something done. Everything else out of the box was more than acceptable.

"...They do break in nicely with use...." That is 'wear', not breaking in.

And its also BS from the standpoint of the consumer. Why "we" should have to do the break in, and spend the time and money to do so, is beyond me. Yet people still insist its needed and on us to do so.

 

[buckhorn_cortez]

"...Jerry Miculek revolver..." Marketing.

"...Jerry Miculek revolver..." Marketing. Especially as he used a stock M28, I think it was, to do all his really fast shootin'.

Sure it's marketing - but a meaningless comments.. S&W has two current .45 ACP revolvers, the 625 and the 625JM.

I was looking for a .45 ACP revolver. Of the 12 gun stores in the area, ONE had a .45 ACP revolver - the 625JM.

Given the choice of no .45 ACP revolver or the 625JM - it seemed like a fairly easy decision with no marketing hype involved.

I'm full capable of evaluating a gun regardless of the name on the gun or the manufacturer.

I have no doubt the same work would have to be performed on the trigger and cylinder on the M625 - the one without JM's name on it.

However, I realize this is the Internet, and the fashionable way to show your independent thought process is by being immediately cynical about everything you feel smacks the least bit of "marketing" - with no evaluation of the actual product itself.

My point, which apparently both of you missed in your rush to strut your cynicism in public - was that even an alleged "Custom Shop" gun by S&W could use some modifications to make it work better. Meaning, not all modifications are fall into a category of "accessories," and not all modifications are simply cosmetic.

Many modifications can enhance the functionality of the gun. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[James K]

Mostly "name guns" are marketer's hype. Even if the gun has been "improved" over the stock item, that doesn't mean I "need" it. (If someone puts out a football with Ben Roethlisberger's name on it, and I buy one, can I throw it like "Big Ben" does? Not even in my dreams!)

There was a recent thread about an "improvement" to the 1911 type pistol that has no effect unless the gun is out of spec in the first place. Yet it is sold and some folks swear that it is "needed."

Jim