ABC report

From the instructions on the 4473:

Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, you are the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself. You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party.

ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer “NO” to question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “YES” to question 11.a. However, you may not transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
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I had a chance a few days ago to talk to an actual ATF agent, whom I met not too long ago through me being an "intern" at my city's police department.

What I had said earlier is wrong, the ATF agent said it is legal and not considered a straw purchase to buy a firearm with the intent of giving it to someone as a gift, if you are completely honest on the 4473. So basically you put down that you are buying the firearm for yourself, which you are, then later on in a private sale you give it to who you wanted to give it to. You don't even have to exchange money or keep any record, you can just give it to them at that point as long as both people are from the same state. So essentially to buy a firearm for someone else as a gift, you just have to own if first.
 
So you're saying that you support closing the so-called gunshow loophole? Did you help NG with the story or are you just promoting their view?
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No. The fragment of a sentence that you chopped out might be mistaken to imply that, but the full sentence which I wrote makes it clear that I believe there is no good way to do that without unduly treading on the rights of law-abiding citizens. There are enough boogeymen out there trying to marginalize and weaken the gun community as-is for us to direct our ire towards without having to play quote games to create enemies out of allies. This report is one of a billion bits of proof of that.
 
Not exactly. The straw purchase law only covers transactions with a licensed dealer.

That's why Robyn Anderson never went to jail for buying guns used in the Columbine shooting.
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That's the downfall of posting with tapatalk; it's hard to read all of the posts ahead. Had I read your first post where you cleared up this point, I wouldn't have posted.
 
I am concerned that there is such a thing as a prohibited person, not that a prohibited person would get a gun.

Bad guys who happen to be prohibited persons always get the guns they want to do bad things. Gun control laws never have the promised result of stopping bad guys from committing crimes.
 
Sorry Tom, but nothing you have indicated in any way suggests that money cannot be given to you to purchase a firearm for yourself or that the person giving you the money is the actual buyer.
 
Its amusing (to say the least) that they made it look like it was very dangerous to buy/sell a gun face-to-face, and even called that semiauto AK an "assault rifle". Their transactions happen smoothly without any hitch, and no laws regarding the FTF sales were broken , assuming they were not actually performing a straw purchase and not from out of state.

In all of my experience buying and selling guns privately and FTF, gun owners are actually some of the most friendly people may encounter. I've never had any problems whether I bought/sold a gun mid-day or at 11pm in a LGS parking lot or behind some fast food joint.
 
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