A take on a futuristic weapon system

Nightcrawler

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For my story that I've been editing and re-editing for the past six months, I've had difficulty deciding exactly where I want the level of firearms design to be. I decided to take a cue from Aliens and came up with the specs for a caseless assault rifle. I also threw together some notes for caseless shotgun and handgun design.

The things that make these guns different from what we have today, aside from being caseless, are several advanced features that would make the weapons technically more complicated than what we have now, by a wide margin. However, with advanced technology, it's possible that this complexity could be made just as reliable and inexpensive to produce as what we have now.

This is not meant to be anything resembling the HK G11. The G11 and the 4.73x33mm caseless cartridge it fired were designed for each other, in order to get the desired effect of salvoing three rounds at a high enough cyclic rate to be useful. These caseless cartridges would require propellants unlike anything we have right now, in order to be clean enough to be reliable and able to have as long a shelf life as metallic catridges. I wanted, primarily, one weapon system that could function as a submachine gun and as a rifle, without switching parts.

Some features you'll notice in the weapons:

-Due to the compactness of the caseless rounds involved, handguns and rifles can interchange cartridges. Basically, you could fit the rifle cartridge into the grip of a pistol.
-Weapons have built-in recoil dampeners, eliminating muzzle rise and allowing for easy, accurate automatic fire, even with high cyclic rates.
-Thanks to the recoil dampeners, weapons can be made very powerful without sacrificing controlability or having painful recoil. This would be especially advantageous in shotguns and handguns. As to how these work, specifically, I'm not sure. If I had the specs for them, I'd patent them and start making money. I'm thinking, though a combination of thigns. First off, a recoiling barrel (delayed impulse) like the AN-94 rifle. That would be handy for bursts of automatic fire. Secondly, some kind of internal system, to absorb the felt recoil. You know, like how a gas-operated shotgun or rifle has less felt recoil than a pump or bolt gun? The spring absorbs the recoil instead of the shoulder. Well, in 200 years, I'm sure they could develop something that could cushion the recoil enough that it wouldn't throw your aim of or hurt your hand (in the case of firing one of the magnum pistols I describe).

So, here are the specs. They're just a rough sketch from my notes. They are NOT MEANT to accurately portray the advancement of technology over the next two hundred years. They are just something I cooked up. But, in order for them to be useful, they have to present an advantage over what we have now. They do so, as is seen. These are not meant to be detailed technical notes, or a ficticious manual for a ficticious weapon. I didn't do any research into ballistics or advanced propellants or anything like that. These are my personal reference notes.

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M2A2 ASSAULT RIFLE

The standard issue rifle of the US miltary, caliber 10x25mm. It is a compact, caseless, bullpup design. The magazine is a 60 round sealed disposable drum that feeds into the top of the stock. The weapon has a built in recoil reduction system that allows it to be fired on full auto with no noticable muzzle rise. The weapon can fire on semiauto, a 3-round burst at 2500rpm, or at full auto at 900rpm. It uses a standard holograpic sighting reticule, similar to a Bushnell Holosight, that doesn't require batteries and works in all light conditions. It can be fitted with a varity of electronic scopes, accessories, and other equipment, including a suppressor. The weapon has a 10mm bore diameter, but fires many different types of ammunition, including:

-10mm 200gr CQB rounds, MV 2000 fps
-10mm CQB tracer
-10mm 260gr light explosive, MV 1800 fps
-10mm 400gr Subsonic CQB rounds, for use with suppressor
-10mm 80gr Frangible, MV 2500fps
-5mm sabot 300gr Subsonic Tungsten Flechette, light armor piercing, for use with suppressor
-5.6mm sabot round, 40gr, MV 4100 fps
-5.6mm sabot tracer
-5.6mm sabot armor piercing round, 70gr, MV 3800 fps
-4.5mm sabot ultra high velocity round, 20gr, MV 5000 fps

SHOTGUNS

A variety of caseless shotguns are available. Most are semiautomatic or select fire, and usually fire from either a sealed, disposable box magazine or a drum. Some are belt-fed. Shotguns use the same recoil absorption system as the M2A2 rifle. The caseless shotgun round has the wad and the shot or the slug all contained in the solid propellant. The most common caliber of caseless shotgun ammo is 18x50mm. (15mm, 20mm, and even 25mm are available.) Many different types of caseless shotgun rounds are available, including:

-Shot of various sizes, from #12 birdshot to .40 caliber Buckshot.
-Slugs of various weights. Most common for the 18mm is the 1oz slug, MV, 1700fps.
-2oz heavy subsonic slugs, for use with shotgun suppressor
-Sabot slugs. Most common are the .50 caliber and the .30 caliber. Velocities vary.
-Flechette ammunition. Fires fin-stablized tungsten darts instead of shot. Higher velocity than shot, sometimes armor piercing.
-Exploding slugs
-Less Lethal (rubber slugs, rubber buckshot, flashbang rounds, etc.)
-Flares

PISTOLS

The standard US service pistol is the M5A1 10mm caseless pistol. It looks very similar in size and shape to a full size Glock (it's blocky, and made of synthetic materials...hopefully it would have a more comfortable grip than the Glock 21). It uses 15 and 20 round sealed, disposable magazines. It fires the same 10mm cartridges as the M2A2 rifle, but with its shorter 5.5" barrel the velocites are greatly reduced. It has a high visibility, low profile, adjustible target reticule, a smaller version of the holographic reflex sight used on the M2A2 rifle, for sighting. It too has a recoil absorption system. Other popular caseless cartridges for handguns are the 9x15mm, the 11x20mm, the 13x28mm, and the massive 15x32mm. For those that prefer a small, fast bullet to a bigger, slower one, sabot rounds for all these cartriges are available. This gives the shooter the versatility to have it either way.
 
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Sounds interesting and well thought out. And the best part of it is that since it is SciFi you don't have to explain how the recoil dampner works, it just does. :)

Also, you just don't want to be slightly ahead of one of your buddies shooting sabots. When those things discard, they are still cruising.
 
Hmm...in order for the sabots to work where they're used in my story...hrmm..would a sabot work in a vacuum? Could it be made to? Or does it require air to discard the outer casing?
 
If it is in a vacuum it doesn't matter. The energy generated by the powder (or whatever you use) acts upon the sabot and the penetrator, causing them to fly forward. In atmosphere the laws of physics state that the mass and surface area of the object will determine how rapidly it will be slowed by wind resistance (read: friction). This causes the relatively dense and massive penetrator to maintain its velocity far longer than the light sabot, which slows down quickly and parts ways with the slug/bullet/penetrator. The odd (non)aerodynamic shape of the sabot causes it to fly off-course as well.

Now, in a vacuum there is no friction to act upon the sabot/penetrator system...well, actually, just very little friction. This would keep the sabot with penetrator...I'm not sure if it would actually stick together, or just fly in a path very very close to the penetrator. Either way, the speed of the penetrator is not compromised. In atmosphere, if the sabot 'stuck' to the penetrator it would create massive drag, ruining accuracy and rapidly dropping the speed of the penetrartor. But there is no drag in a vacuum.

At least, not until you hit an object. At that point the sabot (light/not-dense, large frontal cross secition) would react differently than the penetrator (dense/heavy, smaller frontal cross section).

You could even develop this as a very specific antipersonnel round for use in a vacuum- kinda like a hollow-point for space, only in reverse. Make it a solid, one-piece projectile, a dense penetrator surrounded by an (attached) lighter quasi-sabot. In the gun the sabot would stabilize the round as a standard sabot. In flight it would do nothing to sacrifice velocity or accuracy, and upon impact with a solid object it would rapidly fragment in various directions while the penetrator continued on. This way the round could penetrate cover/armor and if it hit a space-suited target outright it would do damage via the penetrator AND the discarded sabot could rip the hell out of the space suit, making leak-patching of the suit (and underlying skin) a real chore for the victim or his comrades.

How fast would you bleed out in space from a glaser style wound? I have no idea, but it would not be pretty.

Mike
 
Sounds like there are too many varieties of ammo. When you kit up with a real rifle do you really load up with 15 different magazines? You can carry HOW much of each and why?. Your velocities on some of those 200 grainers are SLOW, aafter all the average 180gr 30-06 is cooking along at 2700fps.

If you can 'sci-fi" up a recoil dampener, why not an integral silencer? You swap ammo and "flick the selector switch" or "twist the barrel vents" to engage the supressor. The "disposable magazines" aren't a bad idea, but sounds like someone might be tempted to fire a few rounds and LEAVE the mag on the field.. where it could be picked up and used to create improvised munitions.

If the ammo is "the same" for pistols and rifles then the mags are just different sized boxes?

Some ideas: ALL bullets are tracers.. however they can only been seen by users of specialized combat goggles.

All bullets at high velocity are light AP, bleed down the velocity to create a supressed weapon, dial it up defeat armor. IE the "magazine" is full of projectiles, but the propelleant is sci fi stuff.. liquid gunpowder, gauss technology whatever.

One of the things that seems silly in the 'land warrior" system is leaving the bayonet on that rifle covered with all those doo-dads. The "new" rifle should sort of have all that stuff built IN. IE.. Soldier Bob sees a bad guy at some distance, he 'paints the target" with his scope or goggles, automaticly feeding range and windage with a laser to the rifle's control system. The bullet is auto "loaded' with propellent for the proper firing solution. BANG. Of course, you ought to be able to turn that stuff OFF and say have 3 pre selected settings on the rifle.. say low, med, high velocity. Because Bob set up for a long range high velocity shot and he's jumped at close range, now his powder is over compensated and say his rifle is set for a 800 meter shot, at 100 meters he's shooting over everyone's heads.

David Drake sort of goes into some of this stuff "New tech" vs "old tech" and how new tech can be defeated. For instance, a close range shot with a sabot- dart might pass right through an opponent and not even remotely slow them down. Bob gets jumped by a sapper in the wire with a knife and pulls the trigger, and end up getting knifed for his trouble.

Rememebr that the MOST imporatnat thing about a story IS the story and the characters, the tech stuff is secondary. You can get as detailed as you want with tech stuff, but it works better as a side note. "Ie DARN.. why did Bob become alien lunch Col. Dave? Well it appears his G-57 whup ass rifle was locked in long range mode" Or "well the aiming matrix is fused and it looks like the whole popellent magazine imploded... that alien must pack a hell of a static charge, report to the armory and issue the troops shotguns, this bug is gonna require a low tech flyswatter"

Drop a sample chapter on us sometime.
 
Ammo Variety

The individual soldier wouldn't be required to carry all the different types of ammo with him, just as a modern GI doesn't carry different mags loaded with ball, tracer, AP, etc.

Remember, also, that in my future, the sale of weapons to private individuals is big business on earth and in the orbiting space colonies that have less restrictions on gun laws. A colony called Blue Heaven, mentioned in the story, for instance, has no firearms laws whatsoever.

Interesting place to live, really.
 
:D Interesting place.
I don't think too many people will be happy about others popping off AP rounds inside a pressurized space colony.

You and I think along very similar lines, however.
About 4 years ago, I sat down and drafted a "pulse rifle" (yep, name borrowed from "Aliens") while bored that was amazingly similar to what you described. For the next couple years, I redesigned the rifle design over and over, with more and more improvements, yet making it far more simple and robust.

I chose the .40 caliber as well, however I cut the weight down to 145grains for several reasons. Increased velocities, less recoil, ease of carrying in bulk, ect.

Mine also had every feature you mentioned but one, which I find uncanny.
Though I started off attempting to use caseless ammuntion, one that would end up being completely proprietary, I settled with (thermal polymer) cased ammunition. It really is simpler that way.


In the end, rifles will morph into higher tech polymer-shelled modular systems that will be refined over and over until they are with few operating parts. After all, who wants a complex jigsaw puzzle of a rifle?

I also came to the conclusion at that time in the future you speak of, there will be advanced forms of propulsion that make our current archaic forms seem truly ancient and pitiful.
I am convinced they will be of electro-magnetic origin, or something similar. At this same time, perhaps even before, this same propulsion will spawn the next generation of firearms.

"Try out our latest entry rifle, the H&K G1157 - featuring the improved revolutionary barrels with internal carbon/ceramic magnetic sequenced accelerator ribs! Guaranteed to launch Nosler's 120gr "spiral tungsten precharged core plasti-cotes" at 4500FPS at a dealer friendly orbital station near you! :D

Oh yeah, I can see it all now ... I wonder what inflation would be by then?


:rolleyes:
 
How fast would you bleed out in space from a glaser style wound? I have no idea, but it would not be pretty.
You wouldn't bleed out quick at all. In zero pressure, your blood would boil away-no pressure to keep it liquid. For that matter, if your suit were compromised, goodbye life! Your blood boils,body expands, tissue hardens and cracks, and you are one cold,dead space GI.
 
SEALED magazines - - -

- - -and drums might be going a little bit far. I'd imagine [wonderful thing, imagination - -] the thinking soldier/cop/mercenary/whatever would be at least as invested in keeping his weapon topped off as the thinking shooter is today. Does the shooter fire 15 or 20 rounds on initial contact, find cover and then sacrifice 40 or 45 rounds to have a full weapon? I like the concept of the ol' mag bag into which to place partially expended mags, to be combined during re-group.

Just one point for consideration. I like your concepts.

Best,
Johnny
 
sealed mags and other features

The magazines come pre-sealed for long term storage, but it would only make sense that they could be reloaded if you happened to have lose rounds, but they were so inexpensive to manufacture that they could be thrown away when expended to no great loss. Pricewise they'd be equivalent to a Garand clip.

As for the AP rounds in a space colony. Blue Heaven is an O'Neill Cylinder type space habitat; a great cylinder over twenty miles long that rotates to simulate gravity. The interior floor is covered with several hundred feet of soil, on which is lakes, buildings, roads, trees, etc. Sunlight is reflected in through the use of curved mirrors and transparent hull sections.

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The inhabitants of an O'Neill Cylinder would live in one of three valleys. The suspension bridge in this illustration is the same size as the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.

With the thickness of the hull and transparent sections, and the soil, the AP rounds wouldn't pose any threat to the colony. Even if a bomb went off and a the hull was punctured, it'd likely take years for the air to leak out, leaving ample time to fix the hole.
 
It's
A) too complicated.
B) too primitive. most of that exists already in some form.
C) basically just a rifle, no real change.

As to others:

the myth of explosive decompression has been debunked. Another Hollywood device bites the dust.

In science fiction, as opposed to fantasy, space opera or Star Trek, one DOES have to explain how plot-relevant devices work. Otherwise, said devices come back to chew holes in your plot.

A drum on top of the stock means you can't aim...right? Or do you plan to double it as a shield? That would be a heavy mag, and not cheap, which is a requisite of mags.

Why 10mm in a rifle? The trend has been and continues to be toward smaller rounds. For about the last 800 years. It ain't going to change without a radical regression in armor...and a suspension of the laws of inertia.

compactness has nothing to do with interchangeability--.357 lever guns, for example.
Nor would you want rifle recoil in a pistol, even with a compensator, unless this compensator is tiny. And then, as above, you have to explain how you violate inertia. You can't change the laws of physics without reason. Otherwise, I can attach said compensator to a missile and accelerate it instantly to light speed with no recoil. BOOM! Your space marine is goo.

Does "Disposable magazine" = "en bloc clip"?

Large mags will cause balance of weapon and point of aim to shift, unless center mounted. Additionally, mounting them underneath is essential, to make the weapon hang correctly.

That's just some quick thoughts.

I recommend the Slush Pile forum at http://www.baen.com (look for, "hang out at Baen's Bar," then link to "slush") for feedback. No, the publisher doesn't read it, and won't discover you, and you won't get rich. But interested readers will tear you apart and you'll be a better writer for it. If they aren't interested, that tells you all you need to know.
 
so...what?

Did I mention somewhere that I wrote what I wanted in my story, and was not trying to accurately predict the next 200 years of technology? Oh, yes, I *did* say that, didn't I?

You offered all sorts of criticism and no ideas whatsover. Hardly helpful. Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just skim it?

Small bore? Trends of the last 800 years? Right. Maybe you think a 200gr bullet at 2000fps would be a "shoulder breaker", but I sure don't. It would, however, be a significant advantage over a conventional submachine gun. There are those of us who don't think a tiny bullet at extremely high velocities would be an advantage. For one thing, if nothing else, it can't be suppressed, because you can't prevent the sonic boom of the bullet leaving the barrel, and, for instance, the 4.73mm round of the G11 moving at subsonic speeds would be ridiculously inadequate.

And did you not read the part about the 5.6 and even 4.5mm sabot cartridges? There's your small bore.

Just basically a rifle? Well, what would you suggest? A laser? I can name any number of shortcomings that a laser would have. The same goes for a gauss gun.

Too primitive AND too complicated? Isn't that a contradiction? It should be simpler like an AK-47 but an AK-47 is primitive?

The drum would feed INTO the top of the stock. INTO. For crying out loud, man, I HAVE fired a rifle before!

How do I envision the recoil absorber working? Nothing violating the laws of physics. Simply a more mature version of the recoiling barrel seen in the AN-94 rifle the Russians developed. There's no reason to assume this technology couldn't be micronized in 200 years. Other things could be done...notice that a gas-operated shotgun or rifle has less felt recoil than a bolt or pump gun? I'm sure there are other things that could be done that could reduce felt recoil significantly that I'm not thinking of. I'm a pre-law student, not an engineer.

And I really don't want to go to your "slush pile forum". My story isn't really a science fiction story; it's a love story, I merely chose to place it in a futuristic setting. The technology and setting plays a role, but the scenario could largely be changed and the basic story would remain intact. The futuristic setting is really just a backdrop. Also, I could remove any description of the weapons from the story and it wouldn't change it at all.

So, no, your inaccurate assumptions about my idea for a rifle wouldn't "chew" any holes in my plot, thank you.
 
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You wouldn't bleed out quick at all. In zero pressure, your blood would boil away-no pressure to keep it liquid. For that matter, if your suit were compromised, goodbye life! Your blood boils,body expands, tissue hardens and cracks, and you are one cold,dead space GI.

Yes, but it doesn't happen instantaneously. It happens rapidly enough with no additional holes in your flesh...I wonder what a plethora of small lacerations around the central wound channel of the proposed rifle round would do to hasten that along...

Mike
 
I like it.

The large bore rifle firing SABOT rounds with the option of using lower velocity solid slugs is a very good one.

The idea of having a service pistol using the same cartridge is great. Ease the load of the logistical lines.

AN-94...very evil rifle.:D
 
you know...

...I really have no desire to be a "hard science fiction" writer. In order to write hard science fiction, as opposed to what my detractor referred to space operas or space fantasy, you have to have all of the technical details ready and be able to explain how all of your futuristic systems work.

Puh-leeze. I do have better things to do than to edit what I wrote for the sake of pleasing a bunch of nit-pickers.

Frankly, if I knew how they worked I'd patent them and start making money off of them.

My fiction writing is a hobby; my real focus on writing is simply to be eloquent, to be able to convey ideas in a well done fashion. This sort of thing can come in handy when you're a lawyer. I'm up for a Freshman Writing Award here at NMU, so everybody wish me luck. :)
 
Not really interesting in and of itself. Just a gun a little more advanced than what is on the market right now. You story is what matters and big lumps of psuedo-technical information interrupt the story. These fantasy guns, however proud you may be of them, aren't going to be of great interest to non-gun enthusiast readers and any gun enthusiasts who do read your story are quite likely, as you have already seen here, to start saying "hey, wait a minute!" and completely forget your story. BTW, you should submit some of your work to the slush pile. Are you writing to entertain a potential audience or to entertain yourself? If yourself, why tell us about it? Better grow a MUCH thicker skin if you want to get into print. Otherwise, the first time an editor gets a look at your work and starts doing his/her job, you'll have a fatal conniption fit. Ask yourself this question "Do I want to be a writer or do I want to write?"
 
writer

I'm not planning on "being a writer". I'm planning on being a lawyer. I write because I enjoy myself, and usually no one else reads anything I put on paper.

So I write for myself.

I especially don't want to try to be a fiction writer. Because frankly, there's no money in it, and a man has to eat...unless you're really good and you get a syndication going (ala Tom Clancy), you're not going to make squat and shouldn't quit your day job.

My feelings on this might change in future.

As for my skin thickness...I'll admit, I got more riled than I should have, but he literally jumped down my throat without appearing to have actually read what I put down on paper. In the story itself, the weapons are hardly mentioned, muchless described in any detail. I leave my Gun Geekdom soley for The Firing Line, where it can truely be appreciated.

I understand that my idea is hardly "revolutionary". It wasn't meant to be; it was meant to be an incremental advancement in technology, not a massive leap. I could've just wrote in a "40 watt phased plasma rifle" if I wanted to, but I'm nostalgic for good ol' firearms.
 
Sir (and I will be honest again, as always):

I am a published writer. I assumed you wanted honest criticism.

"Too primitive" in that it doesn't do anything that isn't done already.
"Too complicated" in that it sounds like you have too many gizmos and switches. That gets people killed in combat. Read Drake or Heinlein for examples.

As to not giving helpful suggestions:
A) you asked for comments. Story help is different.
B) as a SF writer, my ideas are for my stories, I don't give them away for free. Sorry.

You said: "I especially don't want to try to be a fiction writer."
--I assume you mean "by profession." Okay, so write anything you like and don't worry what people think.

"Slush pile" is the literary industry term for unsolicited work. It is not an insult. I offered it as a place to get good feedback and suggestions and even improvements for free. Again, if this is not what you wanted, why ask? Baen Publishing offers it as a free forum for aspiring writers. Of the thousands, two such have then been asked to submit to Jim Baen personally. You're better off simply sending his office a manuscript. But it DOES help writers develop, and it IS free, and there's more vets and gun nuts in the forum than you can shake a cord of firewood at. And 2 token liberals we keep around for target practice.

"...I really have no desire to be a "hard science fiction" writer. In order to write hard science fiction, as opposed to what my detractor referred to space operas or space fantasy, you have to have all of the technical details ready and be able to explain how all of your futuristic systems work."

Yes, the readers of SF will get as upset by physical or chemical errors as you do by "assault weapon," "weapon of mass destruction," "military killing machine," "cartridge casing," "automatic revolver," "assault pistol," or any other comment that we as firearms afficionados cringe when we hear from the mouths of the firearm ignorant.

"Puh-leeze. I do have better things to do than to edit what I wrote for the sake of pleasing a bunch of nit-pickers."
--then I'd recommend never sending it to a reputable publisher. They nitpick worse than any dozen readers. And the readers do too. If you DO want to be published, you must be as accurate in all matters as possible. That's in ANY genre, not just SF.

"my real focus on writing is simply to be eloquent, to be able to convey ideas in a well done fashion."
--this is the goal of every good writer, published or not. Best of luck to you. The best way to do that is to ignore the environment and concentrate on the character. As an example, read Pierre Boulle's "Planet of the Apes." (the original). It had nothing to do with apes. They were a literary device for social classes. _THAT_ is science fiction without the gadgets.

If you write a love story, and set it in a futuristic setting, it is a sad fact (for some ;-) ) that you will be sent to the SF ghetto. This is a publishing world fact. Most "Real" publishers won't touch SF any more than they'll touch pro-gun stuff. So you have choices:

1) do the work to make it a good techie SF story.

B) leave the techie details out--call the things "guns" and don't bother to describe them at all; just stick to the love story.

iii) hope to find a publisher who'll overlook either. There are some, but you won't like yourself for associating with them, IMO.

A professional word of warning: NEVER give anyone money to assess your work or agent you. NEVER use iPublish, or other POD publishers. Both the above are crooks who want your money.

as to sabots: centrifugal force peels the sabot apart at the slits, it discards from friction at that point. For emgee ("microgravity," the correct term for "weightlessness)and vacuum, I'd split the sabot full-length so it rips off tangentially.

WHY worry about subsonic rounds? In a vacuum, it doesn't matter. If there's air, it STILL doesn't matter in a battle. Everyone knows you're there, unless you've found a way to silence explosives. ;-)

small, HV rounds punch through armor (9mm). Large, heavy rounds don't. (.44 mag).
Early "handgonnes" were 1-2" bore. Muskets started at .80 or so. We are now looking at 4 mm range. Much smaller is infeasible without either longer projos for greater mass, or much denser materials. Extrapolate from there.

I hope this helps.
 
as to sabots: centrifugal force peels the sabot apart at the slits, it discards from friction at that point. For emgee ("microgravity," the correct term for "weightlessness") and vacuum, I'd split the sabot full-length so it rips off tangentially.

Yeah. If the sabot is a two-piece affair, the spin imparted two it by the rifled barrel would cause it to seperate from the penetrator. Good catch, MadMike.

be advised, in a hard vacuum this would cause the discarded sabots to continue downrange, moving forward at the same velocity as the penetrator and with courses diverging outwards on a tangent. This would result in three objects entering the target area, only one of which was aimed.

Actually, depending on the rate of spin, this could send your two sabot-halves to radically divergent points of impact...so far apart that they could be dangerous from a collateral damage standpoint. As someone else pointed out- sure, they're light...but they're still trucking along and over 1000 fps.

Mike
 
actually, that could be an advantage--any sensors will pick up all three objects. This confuses the enemy. You could even foil-coat them to improve this.
 
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